Shooting Spree in Isla Vista, California

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Just looked at bits of his manifesto. Definitely a case of extreme psychopathy or malignant narcissism. I bet if he didn't go on a shooting spree and continued life as usual, he'd probably end up being a serial killer.

It's best not to read into the rantings of a madman, he obviously wasn't in his right mind so what point is there debating his views? I haven't made a point to read or watch his videos of but of what I've seen, his anger reminds me a lot of Virginia Tech shooter.

Hijacking? Sorry, did I miss a thing and he actually wanted to torture and kill all dog owners and big mean feminists jumped in and said, 'of course, he really means FEMALE dog owners'? ffs

Are these people also insane: https://twitter.com/meladoodle/status/4 ... 69/photo/1

Things do not happen in a vacuum. His warped views on women are not particularly uncommon. He was able to form them and wallow in them with sympathy and encouragement from other men. He viewed pretty much everything through the lense of misogyny. Other men must suffer cos they'd got the women and the sex. How can inferior races get the women he wants? Life is unfair cos he hasn't got what he wants - I mean, what he is entitled to - which is a woman he has sexual relations with.

People on here have variously wondered maybe if he'd had a date set up, or gone to a sex worker, this wouldn't have happened. That is, that someone - ie, women - should have indulged and endorsed his entitlement.

Jesus suffering Christ. Some people...

i can very much relate to your frustration right now--have a cuppa and take a stroll maybe, just don't let them get to you. not everyone can be reasoned with, unfortunately, and that's not on you.

I had a fantastic weekend. So I'm a little late to the party on this thread and really don't care to comment on other's posts. Truth is I had to let out how I felt in a blog entry. The only thing I will say is that when my girlfriend told me that some guy decided to shoot and kill a handful of women on some street and that rejection he faces was a reason behind it, I remember saying "I won't be surprised if he is diagnosed with Aspergers or Autism." All I can say is that I hated being right.

Whether there will be some backlash against those diagnosed or not remains to be seen. There was a passing mention of him being diagnosed, but more attention was given to his manifesto and video. Worry about it when it happens because the backlash against those diagnosed wasn't actually as bad as some made it out to be after the Sandy Hook incident. I have already prayed for the families and others affected, and prayed that others diagnosed don't worry too much about it. That's really all I can hope for.

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Yeah, Hopper can probably do that because he's male. I stopped going for walks alone in my town years ago because I got sick of the guys who thought my presence in public made me public property and gave them the right to follow and harass me (and threaten me when I didn't respond with enthusiasm). Hm, where else have I seen that attitude?

Oh yeah, these murders had nothing to do with sexism whatsoever...

It was mentioned he was on psych meds.

Young guy with lots of angst, AS issues with socializing, lonely and seeing how everyone around him gets some but he just cant seem to get a piece of the pie....

and meds that are known to flip people crazy.

Not a good combination.

I would not be surprised if the meds are responsible. The narcissism and the god comments... lets just say that kind of behavior is something that if it was present for a long time would have been noticed. I'm guessing he didn't and the meds just flipped the switch.

While I am pro-gun 'n all, I do have reservations on why the gov. does not put rules in place where a psych. cannot prescribe these meds until the person who is to take them brings an official police report stating he does not own firearms (or that he has surrendered them to police or handed over to a 3rd party that will hold them in trust and not grant access to them)..and his name is entered into the 'do not sell guns to this person' list as part of the background check required to buy weapons.

You don't let a drunk person drive... why would you allow a person on psych meds carry a firearm?

I think that would just keep people from getting the meds they need,they may not want to give up their guns.Many mentally ill people are victims of violent crimes and live in bad neighborhoods because of low income,they made need to be able to protect themselves from predators.

i) However do you know they're 'crazy'? And I mean other than 'but look at what they've written!".

ii) Is anyone who holds a misogynistic view 'crazy'? Is, indeed, misogyny a particular subtype of psychosis? Is that a new radical feminist-psychiatrist thing?

iii) If they are in the minority, so what?

iv) What's a "so called feminist". I presume they're the usual man haters, given that they apparently "want" to think otherwise? And how do you know what they "want" to think?




If misogyny played a part - and I would question the comprehension abilities of anyone who thought otherwise - then a feminist consideration is quite apt.

I have said other modes of consideration are warranted. How he came to form his anger and rage and stupidities is one thing. The focus they found was on women. Now, unless you're of the opinion that this focus was something like a nervous spasm might make an arm flail and hit something - that is, without meaning - that he could have just as easily gone on a murderous rampage over some other 'random' thing, then how he came to this view, and came to be (and still is) supported in this view, is worth considering.

I do not think his misogyny and entitlement was an accident, or a random event. It was genuine, and it was encouraged, and it is too widely shared to varying degrees, a 'minority' or not.

The last video he made - the early part reads like a standard Nice Guy complaint, something that could have found a home amongst its like in the Love and Dating or The Haven on this site. Exactly the same entitlement and misogyny. The difference is in the extremity of where he let those views go to.

Women and feminists respond with criticism to a man, and the culture that created him, who wants to kill all women because they reject him when (he thinks) they should be his by rights - and this is hijacking? Get some perspective.



Yeah, my point - the one I clearly made - was that the response of many was that his sense of entitlement should have been indulged. That he was in fact correct in assuming that entitlement. Whereas a more beneficial and healthy and plain moral move would be to explain to him - and anyone who has such a sense - that he wasn't entitled to a woman's body or affections. Because no-one is. Because women are people. Like how those so called feminists go on about all the time.

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I'm not a gunbeard by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't like the concept of forcing people to register for some kind of list based on their medical status. Such a system can and will be abused if implemented, making medical treatment for mental illness that much more stigmatized.

This is a sad and terrible time for those people. That kid is so badly messed up from every problem he's made for himself.

His not getting any is far more common than he was led to believe. Hollywood portrays American women more like gay men out cruising than the way they really are. Sure I see all kinds of sorority girls in skimpy outfits out drunk at night, and notice most of them going back to their places in all female packs at the end of the night. The night out is NOT to go cruise for sex but simply to flaunt their egos for attention. However from the mass media you'd think life in America is one gigantic orgy that somehow you are the only one not lucky enough to be involved in. This guy let his sexual frustration destroy his life, had he sobered up about what he was planning and forgot the whole thing, I'm sure he would have looked back in 10 years and been glad he put that insane plan to rest.

As to why he didn't satiate his desires with a prostitute: Prostitutes are very hesitant about customers in his age bracket. I knew a Korean woman at a massage parlor who refused entry to a college age guy. She flat out told me that no one younger than around 28 or 29 is allowed in ANY Asian run massage parlor because it just proves to be too much trouble. She didn't elaborate as to why but certainly older guys who are independent and support themselves have every reason to be discreet. Young punks aren't.

to Hopper you should look at this anti women mass shooter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine
and see if you see any similarity between Elliot
and Lepine.
Elliot shot and killed men and women.
Lepine only killed women,and wounded mostly women.

The massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole ... e_massacre

I'm infinitely amused by the people who want to sweep the "sexist" aspect of this under the rug.

Thanks, Hopper, you're a good dude.

Never said he wasn't sexist or misogynistic. Just that he was a f*****g psycho that wanted to "skin, flay, and behead" good looking people or people that he perceives to enjoy life more than he does.

It's people like you and Hopper that are trying to make him out to be some common view of what all men that have problems with women are like.