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07 May 2015, 8:18 pm

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very familiar story to me

if you live in America and have the means don't send your kid to public school

Home schooling works.

Yeah, what makes you competent to teach children??? My father was a certified teacher and even he said he wasn't qualified to teach outside of his specialty...

Home schooling more and more is used by parents who don't want their children exposed to the "godless evils" of socialism, evolution, and racial equality. In other words, the home schooling curriculum is pretty low browed to say the least.

The "vast right-wing conspiracy" of Scholastic.com shows that one Vermont mother (clearly a Republican) found it to be beneficial for her family, especially her children ( http://www.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=1345 ). As for my own state, the conditions for home schooling are quite easy ( http://www.uhea.org/legal-issues/utahs- ... oling-laws ) and allow for extracurricular activities and dual enrollment to provide certain benefits offered by nearby schools while the academic curriculum is taught by one or both parents.

Utah allows for flexibility: Families may teach their children independently or combine their academic efforts at one neighbor's home where parents teach subjects in which they might have majored in college. In Utah and nationally, there are businesses which publish curriculum instruction manuals, textbooks and other materials for purchase. Again, families which combine their efforts are able to reuse the materials for each successive younger class of students. Sounds a lot like those liberal hippie food co-ops of the 1970s where neighborhoods combined their efforts to do for themselves what they believed wasn't being done by others (like corporations and governments).

Most interesting are the facts that home-schooled students outperform their public-schooled peers ( http://www.nheri.org/research/research- ... oling.html ).

Hey, if parents don't have the time to home school their children, or choose to avoid home schooling, they may continue to let the government do the job for them. But, don't complain when the next president or governor is a hostile Republican who might try to cut education funding.


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07 May 2015, 8:30 pm

Jaden wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
pcuser wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
very familiar story to me

if you live in America and have the means don't send your kid to public school

Home schooling works.

Yeah, what makes you competent to teach children??? My father was a certified teacher and even he said he wasn't qualified to teach outside of his specialty...


Home schooling more and more is used by parents who don't want their children exposed to the "godless evils" of socialism, evolution, and racial equality. In other words, the home schooling curriculum is pretty low browed to say the least.

I was home schooled at one point, and that was definitely not my experience. I've grown to be a rather open-minded person who takes issue when people don't treat others with respect, regardless of what they believe or lack thereof.


To be sure, there are exceptions to every rule, especially before the growing political divide of today. It's just that today, the home schooling movement is very much to the political and religious right.


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07 May 2015, 8:33 pm

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To be sure, there are exceptions to every rule, especially before the growing political divide of today. It's just that today, the home schooling movement is very much to the political and religious right.

That should please you as it takes those Republican kids out of range from influencing the Democratic kids. :D
In my state, at least, home-school parents continue to pay education taxes while adding to the burden of the costs of their own home-schooling. In other words, no one but them home-school families are affected by the costs of doing business. With that wind-fall of extra, unused taxes, I am certain that public-schools don't mind too much, either.


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07 May 2015, 10:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
pcuser wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
very familiar story to me

if you live in America and have the means don't send your kid to public school

Home schooling works.

Yeah, what makes you competent to teach children??? My father was a certified teacher and even he said he wasn't qualified to teach outside of his specialty...


Home schooling more and more is used by parents who don't want their children exposed to the "godless evils" of socialism, evolution, and racial equality. In other words, the home schooling curriculum is pretty low browed to say the least.


"There are no educators. As a thinker, one should speak only of self-education. The education of youth by others is either an experiment, conducted on one as yet unknown and unknowable, or a leveling on principle, to make the new character, whatever it may be, conform to the habits and customs that prevail: in both cases, therefore, something unworthy of the thinker." - Nietzsche

In other words, most education is low-brow. Public education is defined by mediocrity. THe public school, being directly suserviant to the state is also tethered to the state's "truth" - "The State is never concerned with the truth, but only with the truth which is useful to it, or to be more precise, with anything which is useful to it whether it is truth, half-truth, or error. "

I also think that is actually a baseless stereotype based on inaccurate media accounts. The homeschoolers in my area function like a private school to the point where they have classes at different peoples houses or in large groups at public community centers or whatnot. Many of the homeschool teachers work for NASA or the National Laboratory.
The "unschooling" method has also become rather popular and fundamentalist groups do not like unschooling much, not enough room for doctrine pushing.


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07 May 2015, 11:25 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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To be sure, there are exceptions to every rule, especially before the growing political divide of today. It's just that today, the home schooling movement is very much to the political and religious right.

That should please you as it takes those Republican kids out of range from influencing the Democratic kids. :D
In my state, at least, home-school parents continue to pay education taxes while adding to the burden of the costs of their own home-schooling. In other words, no one but them home-school families are affected by the costs of doing business. With that wind-fall of extra, unused taxes, I am certain that public-schools don't mind too much, either.


Despite what some of the leading lights of the Republican party might say about the pitfalls of public education, most rank-and-file Republicans support public education.


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07 May 2015, 11:29 pm

Protogenoi wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
pcuser wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
very familiar story to me

if you live in America and have the means don't send your kid to public school

Home schooling works.

Yeah, what makes you competent to teach children??? My father was a certified teacher and even he said he wasn't qualified to teach outside of his specialty...


Home schooling more and more is used by parents who don't want their children exposed to the "godless evils" of socialism, evolution, and racial equality. In other words, the home schooling curriculum is pretty low browed to say the least.


"There are no educators. As a thinker, one should speak only of self-education. The education of youth by others is either an experiment, conducted on one as yet unknown and unknowable, or a leveling on principle, to make the new character, whatever it may be, conform to the habits and customs that prevail: in both cases, therefore, something unworthy of the thinker." - Nietzsche

In other words, most education is low-brow. Public education is defined by mediocrity. THe public school, being directly suserviant to the state is also tethered to the state's "truth" - "The State is never concerned with the truth, but only with the truth which is useful to it, or to be more precise, with anything which is useful to it whether it is truth, half-truth, or error. "

I also think that is actually a baseless stereotype based on inaccurate media accounts. The homeschoolers in my area function like a private school to the point where they have classes at different peoples houses or in large groups at public community centers or whatnot. Many of the homeschool teachers work for NASA or the National Laboratory.
The "unschooling" method has also become rather popular and fundamentalist groups do not like unschooling much, not enough room for doctrine pushing.


To be sure, the Idaho schools that want to ax Steinbeck's Of Mice And Men from English lit classes, because of the use of mild profanity (not to mention Steinbeck's own left wing politics), have proven that they want to drown their children in mediocrity.


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08 May 2015, 7:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
...today, the home schooling movement is very much to the political and religious right.

Kraichgauer wrote:
...most rank-and-file Republicans support public education.

Well, which is it? Hehe. I like you, Kraichgauer! I really like you. :)


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08 May 2015, 9:29 am

AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
...today, the home schooling movement is very much to the political and religious right.

Kraichgauer wrote:
...most rank-and-file Republicans support public education.

Well, which is it? Hehe. I like you, Kraichgauer! I really like you. :)


It's both. A great many ordinary Republicans are more and more disconnected from the extremists running their party.


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11 May 2015, 6:09 pm

I am neither democrat or republican. I do not support public education. Public education will always be mediocre at its best.
At the moment, the math curriculum uses nomenclature that is centuries obsolete. Not all of the geometry has been updated and still uses flawed propositions. Conjecture and counterexample (essentially the math equivalent of the scientific method) is still rarely ever mentioned in the mathematics classes and when mentioned is only as a footnote.

I hate to imagine what is wrong with the fundamental curriculum of other classes.


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11 May 2015, 6:22 pm

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I am neither democrat or republican. I do not support public education. Public education will always be mediocre at its best.
At the moment, the math curriculum uses nomenclature that is centuries obsolete. Not all of the geometry has been updated and still uses flawed propositions. Conjecture and counterexample (essentially the math equivalent of the scientific method) is still rarely ever mentioned in the mathematics classes and when mentioned is only as a footnote.

I hate to imagine what is wrong with the fundamental curriculum of other classes.


Yet public education is the best way to educate the populace. Without it, huge swaths of our population would be without education. And while American public education often leaves much to be desired, public schools in other countries are very often excellent.


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11 May 2015, 6:32 pm

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...public education is the best way to educate the populace....

Even with facilities, meals, books, supplies and teachers being financed by the "lowest-bid" process? Maybe the White House should take the Japanese model where a business's CEO (or U.S. president) may be paid only up to seven times what the business's least-paid worker (or teacher) is paid. While I believe that this scheme shouldn't be adopted among some small businesses, I am all for it in the public sector.


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11 May 2015, 6:34 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
...public education is the best way to educate the populace....

Even with facilities, meals, books, supplies and teachers being financed by the "lowest-bid" process? Maybe the White House should take the Japanese model where a business's CEO (or U.S. president) may be paid only up to seven times what the business's least-paid worker (or teacher) is paid. While I believe that this scheme shouldn't be adopted among some small businesses, I am all for it in the public sector.


I think teachers don't make nearly enough, and deserve more money, if only to attract a better class of teachers.
As for caps on the pay of CEOs - I think that's a wonderful idea.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
...public education is the best way to educate the populace....

Even with facilities, meals, books, supplies and teachers being financed by the "lowest-bid" process? Maybe the White House should take the Japanese model where a business's CEO (or U.S. president) may be paid only up to seven times what the business's least-paid worker (or teacher) is paid. While I believe that this scheme shouldn't be adopted among some small businesses, I am all for it in the public sector.


I think teachers don't make nearly enough, and deserve more money, if only to attract a better class of teachers.
As for caps on the pay of CEOs - I think that's a wonderful idea.


And also you'd need to reform "teacher's insurance." My father is insured $2 million in teaching insurance because frivalous lawsuits against teachers is so incredibly common. Often it is the good teachers who face lawsuits these days. A large chunk of the teacher's wage is taken for the insurance.


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11 May 2015, 6:53 pm

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I think teachers don't make nearly enough, and deserve more money, if only to attract a better class of teachers.
As for caps on the pay of CEOs - I think that's a wonderful idea.

Unfortunately, I tend to agree with the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments to the Constitution wherein they protect "life, liberty, or property" without due process (in other words, without a chance to appeal). But, there are a lot of the mega corporations I would love to see get their compensation packages regulated.


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12 May 2015, 11:33 am

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Home schooling more and more is used by parents who don't want their children exposed to the "godless evils" of socialism, evolution, and racial equality. In other words, the home schooling curriculum is pretty low browed to say the least.

This is a preposterous overgeneralization.

Yes, there are religious nutters who home school in order to prevent their kids from learning about reality.

But there are plenty of other reasons that people home school and some home schooled kids have received much better educations than they could have in the "educational" institutions provided by their local government.