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A grand jury has decided not to indict the other two responding officers on the scene for any crimes.

Initially, one of the responding officers corroborated Tensing's fabrication that his arm was stuck and had his body dragged down the road before firing one round. However after the initial police report, investigators got official statements from the two responding officers in which neither of them saw Tensing stuck or dragged by the vehicle. They testified before the grand jury.

Also ex-officer Tensing has filed a lawsuit or grievance of some sort to get his job back, claiming that he was terminated without due process.

Can anyone explain why DuBose deserved to be killed? I still see no justification for this shooting.

according to the PTB, there WAS NO justification.

The only way Sam could have been lawfully killed is that the officer thought his [or another] life was in danger due to direct action by Sam.

I can see the potential for a self-defense shooting from the camera (I'm sure I've listed it in this thread); enough so that I have reasonable doubt regarding a murder. I can see that manslaughter may also be incorrect depending on dissection of the video.

However, I'm applying my cognition to the actions. See: could I feel potentially lethal danger directly due to Sam if I was the person with the camera (I also had no duty to retreat, as I'm police).

You need to see what was going through Tensing's mind as he took the shot, which are his words, actions prior to the shooting, and also character references and past history.

What are their arguments? Do they cite code and case law?

If no, then you can say it's an opinion until they provide such for people to look over.

A good attorney can turn "excuses" into reasonable doubt.

Whether this officer is guilty of anything is still unknown.

They will likely bring many cops and experts, psychologists to testify the shooting was at least understandable in the context of events.

Last edited by LoveNotHate on 31 Jul 2015, 10:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

isn't the video that was released just what you said?

his bosses seemed to think he was guilty.

Here is a video from 2014 showing Tensing violating the rights of two citizens after a minor traffic stop (one of them ended up calling the Cincinnati police to show up and they let them go)
Ray Tensing 2014 Traffic Stop with Multiple Right…: http://youtu.be/Zt3sYSoV23g

The defense likely bring many cops and experts, psychologists to testify the shooting was at least understandable in the context of events. Therefore, create reasonable doubt.

I highly doubt that. It's all on Tensing's body cam and it's very damning for him.

Are you trying to play devil's advocate?

I don't see a bad character reference here.

The video appears to show reasonable doubt for any murder charge, and I can see arguments for self-defense being a justifiable reason to exonerate from the manslaughter charge.

So, if their reason is the video, then I can say they've more than likely messed up with the murder charge, and the manslaughter one is perhaps reasonable, as many people online do see no reason for self-defense when watching it (no doubt many of them qualify for "reasonable people").

(As a member of the jury, these would be my opinions if all they used was the video as the main piece of evidence. No way would I say that it's murder.)

god help us.

So let me get this straight. You're suggesting a precedent should be set by this case that allows any LEO to reach into a vehicle and shoot the driver in the head just for attempting to drive away from a minor traffic violation.

Am I correct?

Last edited by blueblahbleh on 31 Jul 2015, 11:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

He never got back to us.

Darwin was a decent substitution for the date, though.

sorry mate, that one sailed over me head again, can you diagram it for me?