Sam Dubose

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Got a better one:

A lawful protest is the language of the unheard.

You don't go to fire until all the facts are known, otherwise you have the potential of becoming a vigilante in the least.

Then it goes:

[Wo]men take up arms after all venues of civil protest are heard and there's clear violence being inflicted on said [wo]men.

But then, I may have an idealistic view on civility.

civility went out with button shoes.

The bottle of gin was tested and confirmed to be liquid air freshener. (No alcohol in the gin bottle.) Just as Sam said in the video, apparently. Also the prosecutor who announced the charges against Tensing said there was marijuana in the car, along with about $2,600 in cash. He had 13 kids.

RIP Samuel DuBose.

I would not put it past the pigs to have planted the weed.

couldn't care less about weed in the car

No.

The car was not registered to Dubose.



He got tangled up somehow. He didn't get pulled down the street for no reason.



Better to be safe than dead.

127 cops killed in the line of duty in 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A ... ne_of_duty

He didn't get pulled down the street. He pulled himself to the car, shot the driver and fell over as the car and corpse moved off.
Let's not make up details in order to bolster a case.


By this logic, americans should always shoot cops first, since 1106 americans were killed by police in 2014.
http://www.killedbypolice.net/kbp2014.html

But that is a silly argument. Fear of being shot is not a justification for police killing unarmed citizens, just as fear of being shot is not a justification for citizens to kill always armed police.

On the face of it, Officer Tensing had no justification for killing Dubose, that is why he is being prosecuted. Should some extenuating circumstances exist (none are evident from the tape) he will probably be exonerated--from what real evidence has been released to date, this appears unlikely.

When he stands up he is next to the oil spot in the road when originally that was way down the road.

Do you not see this in the video?



And if the jury finds him not guilty then he clearly had justification for killing Mr. Dubose?

I saw the video and do not believe that from it you can conclude that Tensing was caught up in the steering wheel or in the car by anything but his own voluntary action. The movement of the car and the officer took place after the shot was fired.



And if the jury finds him not guilty then he clearly had justification for killing Mr. Dubose?[/quote]
I am not sure what the intent of this question, but there's nothing clear about it. If the jury finds him not guilty, it will likely be because they had been convinced of some justification by his lawyer. Such a verdict might also be the result of other dynamics. I don't believe this is going to happen, but time will tell.

That's the thing. Generally speaking the law and their training are clear that fear justifies killing.

In what Police Department?

This is not true in the New York Police Department.

An interesting discussion of this:
http://nypdconfidential.com/columns/2014/141124.html

I've had similar experiences. I drove an old farm pickup for many years. It didn't look like much, it wasn't all that comfortable, the heaters barely worked, but I liked it.

I used to do some consulting work at two different offices in Texas City, Texas. I'd usually show up in the late afternoon and work until very late at night, usually well after midnight.

One of the offices was very close to a bar that was popular with the younger crowd. Not once was I ever hassled by the police leaving that office late at night.

The other was downtown where there was very little traffic at night. At least once a week I would be pulled over when I was leaving and hassled. Most nights when I wasn't pulled over, I was followed out of town by the police.

While doing some work at the downtown office, I once had to have some transmission work done on my pickup and so for a couple of weeks I drove a rental car. Not once was I hassled while driving the rental car in spite of working at the same place and the same hours. It was as if I was invisible.

In my old farm pickup, I looked out of place. In the late model rental car, I didn't look out of place.

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I've read that years ago, wealthy black businessmen with nice cars often resorted to wearing chauffeur's uniforms when driving. The police would assume they were the chauffeur for some wealthy white man and leave them alone, but if they weren't in a chauffeur's uniform, they would be hassled because they looked out of place in the typical police officer's view of the world.

Most of them?

The justification always seems to be that they feared for the safety of themselves ir others.

The difference in the gurley case is that it was a non-specific fear

It's not fear that justifies, it's the presence of (or belief in the presence of) a weapon.
There is no weapon here but the car and the car poses no threat to Tensing that Tensing did not control: he could have simply stepped away.

Fear of a weapon appears to extend to events where no weapon existed