Mass shooting at Oregon college: 15+ dead...

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Without wishing to sound flippant or cheapen an obvious tragedy, I wonder how long it'll be before someone at Fox News tries to blame it on marijuana being legal in Oregon (but nothing to do with US gun laws, oh no, never).

Men are more of a predisposition to use this kind of violence. I think it's a testosterone thing, nothing cultural. Serial killers are almost exclusively men, mass murderers are usually men, and the vast majority of murders are committed by men. That doesn't mean woman could never do these things, they just tend to engage in this type of violence much less than men.

He expressed admiration for the Roanoke Shooter, Lester Flannigan, who was a gay, black prostitute and former news anchor. Lester Flannigan also murdered his own cats before he murdered our local newspeople. I happen to live within walking distance of one of the victims.

So the Oregon shooter was a mixed raced, conservative republication, a nerd, an anti-religion extremist, who admired a murdering prostitute. How do all of these things exist in one person?

Not all conservatives or Republicans are white, heterosexual, religiously pious men.

Actually, I don't think that's true.....

She doesn't seem to be the first school shooter in California:

She doesn't seem to be the first female 'school shooter':

She also doesn't even seem to be the first mass shooter, of students, in the 20th century:

Though minors killing someone at school are numerous, she doesn't even seem to be the first minor, to commit mass murder / shooting, on a school:

This list is, by-no-means, exhaustive----but then, I only googled / opened one link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

USA intransigent and stubbornly wedded to the myth that gun ownership made the country great. Part of the gods chosen country idea from which a large amount of the population (the NRA and the gun industry) will not let it escape.

Rather than admit something is wrong with this ideal, gun lovers will stubbornly watch massacres abound and always make excuses and pass blame.

You can clearly see that Obama is pulling his hair out in impotence.
America has a crazy problem with guns, but the first thing with an addiction is to admit to yourself that it is a problem, until then nothing will change.

That is where we are at present. Sadly in this respect the US is sick and is trapped by its own addiction to gun mythology.

Leading the world with 90 guns per 100 head of population in the USA ! !! !! that is crazy and quite obscene.

(7/100 in UK for comparison)

Actually, in another post they showed a comment from him saying something about "all you white racists pigs"...so it may very well be true, who knows.

Firstly, almost none of the Americans who are "addicted" to guns, are mass-shooters----most of the people doing these mass-shootings seem to have acquired their guns, just MONTHS before the shootings; so, it doesn't really seem like guns are their "special interest".

Secondly, I don't take kindly to a BRIT----or, ANY non-American, for-that-matter----saying that my entire country is "sick"! !

Yeah, I'm past sick and tired of these Anglais criticizing us on our domestic affairs. They're not exactly poster children for sound internal policies.
And as far as gun ownership goes, it is not a "mythology" that gun ownership is part of the American make-up. The Colonials had better guns (rifles) than the Redcoats, and this was a major factor in throwing off English tyranny.
The main problem is not guns, but the rather the Government creating free-fire zones that they call gun free zones. Look at Arizona, the state with the loosest gun restrictions has nary an incident. Soft targets make for tempting targets, but if these loosers thought that there might be someone there who had the means to stop them, they would not attempt these heinous acts.

It's not that we don't like the average American, it's that we don't like the American government.

I'm going to submit my thoughts on this as following gun management as I see it, could not really work in that the nation is so vast enforcement would be almost impossible. 2nd, not all gun restrictions are followed to the letter so to speak such as at firearm trade shows and the like. 3rd, All persons whom commit atrocious acts of violence are not always mentally un-balanced though, there is potential for some to be however, some people have carried out gun violence as it pertains towards social or religious rationals.

Honestly, I'm not a member of parliament so, I'd not really know how to decisively deal with this problem however, I felt that I could be resolved but, it would take a great amount of patience and intestinal fortitude by all parties involved.

Firstly as I have said in a few other posts I like and admire lots of things about the US. (I have been equally damning about disgraceful British behaviours in the past too)

Secondly in this particular respect re gun culture I actually would argue the point that the US is sick, I also know that millions of Americans agree with this point of view including your current President.

Thirdly I did not try to criticise actual individuals but the well documented gun culture and also how incredibly easy it is to acquire guns. (Many people who own guns are themselves a victim of the gun culture by the fact that they feel so vulnerable that they have to carry guns.... its a self feeding problem)

The fact that pro gun lobbyists can still argue that guns are not the problem but the owners are beggars belief.
90 guns for every 100 people in the US ... do you really think this is healthy Are you actually arguing that this is a healthy state of affairs for a leading 1st world country.

If you do not take kindly to the blindingly obvious, then I apologise for repeating what countless Americans have been saying for decades.
But please do not present me as anti-American just because I disagree with you, I am equally prepared to criticise my own country.

Do you not think that if the US wants to present itself as a moral arbiter and peace keeper of the world (as it often does) then it should tackle this problem . Sure `people` are the ones who fire guns, the guns themselves are inert; but only if they were freely available.

After the last college shooting some NRA gun nuts were arguing (indefensively) don`t cut back on guns but to arm teachers!... unbelievable. I am a teacher.... what a perverse thought that this would be the answer.

GHunting is one thing as is sports shooting, but I am not talking about that here.
For these messed up F***ks who do all these shootings it is irrelevant whether guns are there special interest or not (its the same in the UK but on a vastly smaller level)
But the American west taught us that guns are a way to get your voice heard... wasn`t the colt pistol nicknamed `the equaliser`..... that is the psychology of what is happening what is happening... no recourse to civilised methods of law... just use the equaliser. Its just the ease that people can do in the US this which is mind boggling.

I am not saying anything that Americans haven`t been saying for years... So top the pick on the outsider Brit stuff.. that is just a petty distraction. Have a debate about the shootings and guns in the US.
It is noticeable how defensive some of you are when the right to bear arms comes up. And this `part of the American make-up` stuff is exactly what you should surely be trying to change not glorify.
You make up your own make up.

Are you actually arguing that the US does not have a gun problem?

I didn't know about the shooting until I got to PSU and someone told me what happened at UCC. Like many, I'm just tired of the gun violence in the US now and something needs to be done fast to prevent more shootings.

As for why the shooter did this is beyond any of our understanding. If the shooter had AS, then it's just another reason for NTs to look down on us and address us by derogatory terms.

Since President Obama was first sworn in, a Finn or a Belgian is more likely to die in a public mass shooting than an American.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compar ... nd-europe/

While Australia, Canada, and the UK have less gun crime than the US, their rates of assaults and other violent street crimes are much higher. Not everybody would find this to be a good tradeoff.

http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/crime-us-vs-uk/

The vast majority of violent crime in the US, whether it involves the use of a firearm or not, is concentrated in the half-dozen worst inner cities. (All of them "gun-free zones," and all nearly 100% Democrat enclaves.) The rest of the country is one of the safest areas in the world. I know a lot of country folk who don't lock their doors, and in cold weather I still see people leaving their cars running while they go into a store.

A lot of people overseas seen to think of the US as a virtual war zone, with everybody packing heat and gun battles breaking out constantly. Unless you're unfortunate enough to live in Detroit, this is not the case.

Yep! Where I live, we never lock our doors. I actually leave my keys in my truck because it makes it easy to find them. The greatest personal threat up here is from bears and especially mountain lions, so firearm ownership is a good idea if you want to keep your pets and livestock safe. Do they have this problem in Britain?

It makes sense that a mass murderer would select an environment where the victims are unarmed.