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03 Oct 2015, 4:57 am

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IMHO people who refuse to at least not fight dirty are evil. that would be a working definition.



And you don't think that's a little much? Kind of overkill there?

Sometimes you have to fight dirty to not get hurt. You made a generalized statement so it applies to everything. All forms of fighting, not just political fighting. You are thinking too broadly and too much in terms of all sorts of other issues to do with this. What is the one thing that specifically irks you about this issue? What can you put your finger on and say succinctly is wrong with it?

As for fighting dirty, I do it all the time. Have to.

I believe that adkins should have played fair and let the democratic process work rather than gaming the system. simple as that. anything else is not a fair fight.



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03 Oct 2015, 4:58 am

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auntblabby wrote:
IMHO people who refuse to at least not fight dirty are evil. that would be a working definition.



And you don't think that's a little much? Kind of overkill there?

Sometimes you have to fight dirty to not get hurt. You made a generalized statement so it applies to everything. All forms of fighting, not just political fighting. You are thinking too broadly and too much in terms of all sorts of other issues to do with this. What is the one thing that specifically irks you about this issue? What can you put your finger on and say succinctly is wrong with it?

As for fighting dirty, I do it all the time. Have to.


A politician who fights dirty to grab the hustings is breaking the law as are inside traders and businesses that break occupational safety legislation. So I stand with AB on this.

That is to be distinguished from being resolute.


It really depends on how he fights dirty as to whether or not he's breaking the law. There are quite a few ways to do it. Inside trading is illegal but it's done a lot usually in minor instances. Nobody is going to not pass on a tip to a friend who has a few thousand in the market. That's very different from a huge scandal. I don't see what any of this has to do with occupational safety. Most of that is pretty well enforced and reasonable around here.


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03 Oct 2015, 5:05 am

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IMHO people who refuse to at least not fight dirty are evil. that would be a working definition.



And you don't think that's a little much? Kind of overkill there?

Sometimes you have to fight dirty to not get hurt. You made a generalized statement so it applies to everything. All forms of fighting, not just political fighting. You are thinking too broadly and too much in terms of all sorts of other issues to do with this. What is the one thing that specifically irks you about this issue? What can you put your finger on and say succinctly is wrong with it?

As for fighting dirty, I do it all the time. Have to.


A politician who fights dirty to grab the hustings is breaking the law as are inside traders and businesses that break occupational safety legislation. So I stand with AB on this.

That is to be distinguished from being resolute.


It really depends on how he fights dirty as to whether or not he's breaking the law. There are quite a few ways to do it. Inside trading is illegal but it's done a lot usually in minor instances. Nobody is going to not pass on a tip to a friend who has a few thousand in the market. That's very different from a huge scandal. I don't see what any of this has to do with occupational safety. Most of that is pretty well enforced and reasonable around here.


Basically, what you are endorsing is hidden criminality which I would seriously dissuade anyone from considering. Those on the spectrum are generally not equipped for deceit and in any event, it is not to be encouraged in any civilised society. This woman is wrong and on that AB is correct. Nor is she a role model for success. Good sustainable success for anyone of the spectrum comes through excellence and application not some half baked scheme with a risky pedigree.



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03 Oct 2015, 5:10 am

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OliveOilMom wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
IMHO people who refuse to at least not fight dirty are evil. that would be a working definition.



And you don't think that's a little much? Kind of overkill there?

Sometimes you have to fight dirty to not get hurt. You made a generalized statement so it applies to everything. All forms of fighting, not just political fighting. You are thinking too broadly and too much in terms of all sorts of other issues to do with this. What is the one thing that specifically irks you about this issue? What can you put your finger on and say succinctly is wrong with it?

As for fighting dirty, I do it all the time. Have to.


A politician who fights dirty to grab the hustings is breaking the law as are inside traders and businesses that break occupational safety legislation. So I stand with AB on this.

That is to be distinguished from being resolute.


It really depends on how he fights dirty as to whether or not he's breaking the law. There are quite a few ways to do it. Inside trading is illegal but it's done a lot usually in minor instances. Nobody is going to not pass on a tip to a friend who has a few thousand in the market. That's very different from a huge scandal. I don't see what any of this has to do with occupational safety. Most of that is pretty well enforced and reasonable around here.


Basically, what you are endorsing is hidden criminality which I would seriously dissuade anyone from considering. Those on the spectrum are generally not equipped for deceit and in any event, it is not to be encouraged in any civilised society. This woman is wrong and on that AB is correct. Nor is she a role model for success. Good sustainable success for anyone of the spectrum comes through excellence and application not some half baked scheme with a risky pedigree.



Well sweetie, we aren't all unable to lie, unable to see shades of grey and obsessive about rules and laws.

Not everybody on the spectrum is the same. Sorry that you can't see that, but I can.


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03 Oct 2015, 5:13 am

OOmum

I lie to my little girl if its too wet to go out to the movies. I certainly would not seek insider info if it transpired that I was a twat as a trader. Theres a difference.



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03 Oct 2015, 5:32 am

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...are these the actions of the sorts of agents who should be representing Americans in a constitutional democracy.

Republic, not democracy.



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03 Oct 2015, 5:51 am

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...are these the actions of the sorts of agents who should be representing Americans in a constitutional democracy.

Republic, not democracy.


The republican form uses the democratic method to ensure that nincompoops do not run the show as was the case in Middle Ages England. Which is what republicanism rose to replace.



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03 Oct 2015, 6:01 am

Certainly. Some tend to confuse the form of government with the electoral process.



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03 Oct 2015, 6:59 am

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OOmum

I lie to my little girl if its too wet to go out to the movies. I certainly would not seek insider info if it transpired that I was a twat as a trader. Theres a difference.



Well, I can actually lie. Not just to the kids about stuff. I can do it very well too. I don't have the money to invest in stocks and wouldn't if I did, but if I did and knew somebody, I'd damn sure ask around and invest my s**t correctly.


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03 Oct 2015, 4:03 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
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OOmum

I lie to my little girl if its too wet to go out to the movies. I certainly would not seek insider info if it transpired that I was a twat as a trader. Theres a difference.



Well, I can actually lie. Not just to the kids about stuff. I can do it very well too. I don't have the money to invest in stocks and wouldn't if I did, but if I did and knew somebody, I'd damn sure ask around and invest my s**t correctly.


That is investment, not speculating. If you wish to be en efficient speculator and industry professional and not an indifferent investor in this game and this my comments were directed at industry professionals and not moms and pops, you need to be good. You play hanky panky and the market will show you the door with only your shirt on your back if you are lucky. As for politicians, you put a nincompoop in office and you get half assed government.

AB is right. This woman is a cretin.



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03 Oct 2015, 6:12 pm

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trayder wrote:
OOmum

I lie to my little girl if its too wet to go out to the movies. I certainly would not seek insider info if it transpired that I was a twat as a trader. Theres a difference.



Well, I can actually lie. Not just to the kids about stuff. I can do it very well too. I don't have the money to invest in stocks and wouldn't if I did, but if I did and knew somebody, I'd damn sure ask around and invest my s**t correctly.


That is investment, not speculating. If you wish to be en efficient speculator and industry professional and not an indifferent investor in this game and this my comments were directed at industry professionals and not moms and pops, you need to be good. You play hanky panky and the market will show you the door with only your shirt on your back if you are lucky. As for politicians, you put a nincompoop in office and you get half assed government.

AB is right. This woman is a cretin.


I have no interest in the stock market and no desire to invest in it. It has nothing to do with me or actually the topic of this thread. Neither does OSHA violations.

While the woman may be a cretin, that doesn't mean she is evil. I'm not saying she's right, I am disagreeing with his use of the word "evil". That was my point. That's all it was.


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03 Oct 2015, 6:20 pm

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When I use analogies, they are analogies and no more. How you read them is up to you. However, the fact that you labour this point (as it is really neither here nor there what one terms this womans behaviour as long as we get the point..steer clear of this person) indicates that you support this person and like I said, if appointing nincompoops who meet your bigotry requirements works for you, who am I to argue with your choice.



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03 Oct 2015, 8:21 pm

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When I use analogies, they are analogies and no more. How you read them is up to you. However, the fact that you labour this point (as it is really neither here nor there what one terms this womans behaviour as long as we get the point..steer clear of this person) indicates that you support this person and like I said, if appointing nincompoops who meet your bigotry requirements works for you, who am I to argue with your choice.


No, it doesn't mean that at all. I also have no bigotry requirements. The reason I'm "labouring this point" is because of a private conversation I had with Aunt Blabby the other night where we talked about the way people use words sometimes that are too general and entirely too strong and too much overkill, so it makes people think they are very fringe. I noticed he does it sometimes and I mentioned it and we talked about it and he saw what I was saying. That while it's fine to go overboard and exaggerate at times, if you do it every time then people aren't going to take you as seriously. That is why I was going on about the word "evil" that he used. It related directly to a private conversation he and I had the other night, about this exact subject. It had NOTHING whatsoever to do with me supporting her. I don't even really know this whole issue, I saw it was rezoning or redistricting or something and the word "evil" seemed much too strong for that, so I pointed it out. I don't give a rats ass about that lady or her districts and don't really even know where it is or much about it. What I know is that to be taken seriously you need to save words like evil for things that are actually considered evil by most people, or to only use exaggeration and overkill occasionally. It had nothing to do with the chick in the article.

Maybe it would be better for you to ask why someone feels the way they do, or ask them to clarify before you jump to idiotic conclusions and imply they are bigoted or support or oppose something in an article, when they said NOTHING to imply that. That kind of jumping to conclusions, if done often and with far leaps and pronounced with certainty will actually do more to make people not take you seriously than would using overkill with "evil" or "sociopath" or some such other word used as a catchall term.


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03 Oct 2015, 8:30 pm

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the hypocrisy involved still gets my goat, I can imagine that if the shoe were on that scum adkins' feet she'd feel differently. just because "everybody else does it" is NOT any kind of real moral justification. it is just evil IMHO.


I don't think there is much difference in gerrymandering whether it is the left or the right.



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03 Oct 2015, 8:39 pm

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Yes, I know all of that and I, as you will have noticed, raised the same point with him...but not to the extent of overwhelming his message by extended argument or even pmming the poor bloke. AB's highlighting of this womans hanky panky is salutory and THAT is the only relevant thing in this thread. If that is AB's style of raising these issues (and the man is a resource in bringing these snakes to our attention), then long may it prevail. The nuances of language are a luxury, especially to those black Americans she is seeking to disenfranchise.

I am astute and read between the lines, something that suits my mind rather well, if I may say so.



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04 Oct 2015, 1:26 am

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The reason I'm "labouring this point" is because of a private conversation I had with Aunt Blabby the other night where we talked about the way people use words sometimes that are too general and entirely too strong and too much overkill, so it makes people think they are very fringe.


If the context of this argument is a private conversation you were having with a friend, then maybe it should stay private. This is the news board, not English class. You're derailing the thread to berate everyone about semantics. It's a little disrespectful, to be honest...

And I agree with auntblabby's charge of evil.

Janet Adkins and her buddies drew up a district that was designed to turn the voting black population into an even smaller minority than it already is. Her gerrymandering is intended to keep black people from voting. This is a deliberate act, by members of government, to benefit white voters at the expense of black voters. This is racism. This is manipulating and hurting people who have done nothing to deserve it; practically the textbook definition of evil.

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In this case, I see this not just as an effort to counter a liberal politician, but as part of an effort to roll back civil rights by reducing the power of black voters. To disenfranchise any whole group of people is evil in my eyes.


This guy gets it.