Shooting at LGBT nightclub in Florida, 20 injured

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I must be a pretty lousy Arab then

Some blame gun rights. Others blame Islam. Still others blame a lack of mental health services. Me, I blame myself.

Every time I laughed to blend in when I heard a gay joke.
Every time I stayed silent when someone exclaimed that's so gay.
Every time I turned a blind eye to bigotry from friends and colleagues.
Every time I failed to hold elected officials to account.
Every time I stayed invisible when I needed to be seen.

We are all to blame for the murders of 50 innocent people today. And for the thousands who are assaulted every year.

Please remember to vote next November. Let's free the hostage that is our government from the bigots and willfully ignorant.

Pardon me - MOST.

Still wrong.

Awww, I'm sure you're not. I should've said "SOME Arabs"! I apologize. I truly thought that was a consensus among Arabs, cuz they seem, generally speaking, so reserved.

Well, I'm not. You should be ashamed by calling people racists and bigots just because they don't believe the same as you. How do you not see that as being a racist and a bigot? I have never shamed you for what you believe. Look in the mirror and see who should really be ashamed. You have me pegged and you don't even really know me.

Another thing, I have gay friends and I work with Muslims that I thing are just great. HOWEVER, I'm a realist and if there are terrorist attacks by a certain group then that group needs to be watched more closely.

You seem to have little self awareness and a short memory. What you say in these forums can be rather offensive and rather than report you, I'd rather just let you know my opinion.

And if a person blamed an entire religion because of the actions of a few crazy people than yes I'm going to call that out as bigoted.

And what exactly should I be ashamed of? Please tell me.

Oh to your p.s. having a few gay or muslim friends does not mean you can't be bigoted. A lot of bigotry is the result of ignorance.

You are wrong. Just wait until something happens in your town and you'll be the one screaming the loudest for someone to do something.

Next

Dude, I've been called racist and bigot so many times here that of I reported it every single time the report button would explode.

I suggest you and I no longer speak to each other because it will only escalate and not end well.

Time for work.

Well no, it's a pretty accurate generalization. The whole middle-eastern region lags behind the rest of the world in mental health care. There are few practicing psychiatrists in Arab countries, and very little demand for them.

Usually in these cases of lone-wolf shootings, the subject of mental health becomes a sort of elephant in the room (nobody wants to imply that all mentally ill people are potential killers), but tackling the problems with mental health care might be needed to avoid incidents like these in the future.

Nurseangela,

I'm not going to ignore bigotry. If you say something offensive, I'm going to call you out on it.

And maybe it should give you pause that so many people have called you racist or bigoted. You see, I don't have that problem.

Shooter's father made videos expressing support for the Taliban. Why does the U.S. allow people like that to come here?

http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/mir-seddi ... -reaction/

Alllrighty then.... he was just a mental case developed in a vacuum.


NOT.

They guy was not a nutjob, he was a terrorist.
He wasn't a conservative, or a Christian.
He wasn't recently fired, recently bereaved, recently divorced.
He was vetted as mentally stable by FBI to get his rating for fully automatic weapons
His dad is not American Flag waving secular, well adjusted American who follow Islam. He is radical muslim. Quiet reserved neighbors are those people that get the "but he seemed so nice" comments all the time when teh dead body in refrigerator is discovered.

He was motivated by a theocratic politic idealogy.

Fact 1: 49% of Muslims in the Middle East support Sharia Law as the law of the land. If I need to educate you what "shariah law" entails, you really need to look more into what Islam is. 99 Percent of Afghanistan (where the shooter is from) believe Shariah Law should be the law of Afghanistan.

Fact 2: A poll of muslims living in BRITIAN, not the middle east, 61% of them believed Homosexuality is immoral and should be illegal. This includes over 70% of young adults. None of 500 British Muslims polled thought Homosexuality was morally acceptable, only 35% of French muslims polled viewed it as acceptable.


The issues with what is Islam and the culture that surrounds it are there and a issue that needs addressed by Islam as a community. I don't think Islam is a bad religion or should be banned/discouraged/whatever, but saying that the problem is not at least some interpretations of Islam would be ignorant. Islam has a major problem and it's a problem that Islam needs to fix, and these countries need to westernize/modernize in order to properly function.

Look at a country like turkey, westernized, and a majority of Muslims here both accept gay rights, detest Shariah law, and is stable/has little issues compared to the Middle East. Now if you look at the middle east, you see these extremist numbers. These are not one-off things; there is something going on here that preaches more radical Islam, what that is specifically is anyone's guess.

Source 1: http://i.imgur.com/j7neYC1.jpg
Source 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_I ... nion_polls
Source 3: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may ... osexuality

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