Should United Airlines Officers Be Charged for Assault?

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11 Apr 2017, 4:32 am

The police are the ones who "escorted" him off the plane.

Why would "united airline officers" be charged with assault?

Also, A police spokesman told reporters, " the man 'fell' on his face and injured himself".
https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/unit ... re-airport



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11 Apr 2017, 5:05 am

Here's this from a leading aviation magazine that is over 50 years old.
(and they are associated with Aviation Week which turned 100 last year)
http://atwonline.com/blog/united-bumped ... l-airlines
The wrap up of the article,

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It’s misguided to treat the airline industry differently from other service businesses. They should be allowed to charge ancillary fees and to offer different price points for different levels of service. They should not be heavily fined for delays that are caused by factors outside of their control, such as severe weather, ash clouds or chronic air traffic congestion. Airline executives should be free to manage their business models and product offerings in whatever way they see as most competitive. And airlines should not be lumped with excess and often hidden government fees and taxes.

But any airline that is so clueless and ill-equipped that its passenger-facing agents inflict this sort of treatment on their customers to get their own staff to work deserves all the rules, fees, fines and public condemnation that can be rained down on it.


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11 Apr 2017, 6:48 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
The police are the ones who "escorted" him off the plane.

Why would "united airline officers" be charged with assault?

Also, A police spokesman told reporters, " the man 'fell' on his face and injured himself".
https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/unit ... re-airport


You didn't read your own source. :roll:

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Even though the Chicago Police Department was not involved in the incident, many news media outlets that didn't realize Aviation Department Police are a different agency called Chicago Police for comment. Instead of remaining quiet on the matter, CPD told reporters the man "fell" on his face and injured himself. CPD issued a statement on Monday, described the passenger as "irate," and said aviation security officers "attempted to carry" the man off the plane "when he fell."

"His head subsequently struck an armrest causing injuries to his face," reads the CPD statement.



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11 Apr 2017, 6:54 am

androbot01 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The police are the ones who "escorted" him off the plane.

Why would "united airline officers" be charged with assault?

Also, A police spokesman told reporters, " the man 'fell' on his face and injured himself".
https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/unit ... re-airport


You didn't read your own source. :roll:

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Even though the Chicago Police Department was not involved in the incident, many news media outlets that didn't realize Aviation Department Police are a different agency called Chicago Police for comment. Instead of remaining quiet on the matter, CPD told reporters the man "fell" on his face and injured himself. CPD issued a statement on Monday, described the passenger as "irate," and said aviation security officers "attempted to carry" the man off the plane "when he fell."

"His head subsequently struck an armrest causing injuries to his face," reads the CPD statement.

I think you are misinterpreting something.

The "aviation police" , not United employees were the ones who kicked the passenger off the plane.



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11 Apr 2017, 7:01 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
The "aviation police" , not United employees were the ones who kicked the passenger off the plane.

Okay, drop the work United from the topic title and you'll get the idea.

I'm struck that this is the issue that concerns you.



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11 Apr 2017, 7:07 am

androbot01 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The "aviation police" , not United employees were the ones who kicked the passenger off the plane.

Okay, drop the work United from the topic title and you'll get the idea.

I'm struck that this is the issue that concerns you.

The police are our law enforcers.

This passenger refused to obey them. At that point, he likely committed a crime.

His criminal action, empowered the police to use force.



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11 Apr 2017, 7:14 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The "aviation police" , not United employees were the ones who kicked the passenger off the plane.

Okay, drop the work United from the topic title and you'll get the idea.

I'm struck that this is the issue that concerns you.

The police are our law enforcers.

This passenger refused to obey them. At that point, he likely committed a crime.

His criminal action, empowered the police to use force.

Okay, I get what you're saying now.

The airline officers are federal officers, so they are empowered to use force when deemed necessary.

I also get what you mean by police being the hands of the law; and law is what keeps us civilized.

My concern arises when the power of forceful removal is misused, which I think is what happened in this case.

You mention that the passenger likely committed a crime. This is likely what the officer thought too. But if this is the case then we are calling it a crime to not give up your seat for an airline employee. Technically, it would be said that the crime was failure to obey an order.

But ... there is such a thing as an unlawful order.

I agree with Raptor's sentiment that the airlines are abusing the authority given to them after 9/11.

Anything can be written down as a rule, what matters is that it is a lawful rule.



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11 Apr 2017, 2:03 pm

Here's an interesting wrinkle to the case:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united- ... passenger/

Basically, United did not deny Daniel Dao boarding, because they already permited him to board. They ejected him from the aircraft. Therefore, the rule saying that they may deny boarding in cases of overbooking does not apply here.


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11 Apr 2017, 3:51 pm

beneficii wrote:
Here's an interesting wrinkle to the case:
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united- ... passenger/
Interesting indeed. Thanks.


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11 Apr 2017, 9:07 pm

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I imagine this is the result of post-9/11 counter-terrorism measures that are being abused as can be expected.


Which conveniently ignores the fact the airline was trying to make money by overbooking passengers...I know of some cheap Asian carriers that carry on this practice, not really a reputation for American airlines to be tagged with

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I thnk you know what I meant but whatev...


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11 Apr 2017, 9:23 pm

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We need more trains.
I haven't been on a plane since you could smoke on one,I don't see any reason to ever get on one again.Not only do you get molested by TSA now you get a beat down.No Thanky.

The trains currently in use arent that fast or cheap. Airport TSA screenings are a hassle but usually don't involve being felt up. The biggest issues have to do with the airports themselves more than anything. Some of them are poorly laid out, have sh***y amenities, poor traffic control, and other irritating factors that make the experience more mentally tiring than it need be.
About the only good thing about flying is that it is fast.


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12 Apr 2017, 2:44 am

We need antitrust laws to be applied to airlines:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/uni ... 64d919ae1d


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12 Apr 2017, 3:25 am

Raptor wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
We need more trains.
I haven't been on a plane since you could smoke on one,I don't see any reason to ever get on one again.Not only do you get molested by TSA now you get a beat down.No Thanky.

The trains currently in use arent that fast or cheap....
About the only good thing about flying is that it is fast.
I'd have to look up the exact details to be sure of the numbers but it has been studied and planes are the more efficient mode of transportation for trips longer than 300 to 600 miles, 482 to 965 km.


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12 Apr 2017, 3:31 am

it is common practice for airlines to overbook their flights to account for "failures to turn up" to whom they have to refund the fare.

on this occasion the algorithm was not entirely predictive, and so someone had to be removed.

i thought they needed seats for 4 employees, so in that case, they must have also ejected 3 other people and that went uneventfully

the way i saw the video is that the man started squealing like a stuck pig as soon as a hand was lain upon him.
he was non compliant and reacted in a manner which any fool could see would invite reinforcements and intensification of urgency.

it remains a mystery as to how they chose the people to remove from the plane.

but it's not a serious incident in the scheme of things.



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12 Apr 2017, 5:25 am

When United CEO said "No one should ever be mistreated this way" ...
"this way" ... hmm ...
does that mean it would have been okay to mistreat the guy a different way?


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12 Apr 2017, 10:29 am

b9 wrote:
but it's not a serious incident in the scheme of things.


Really?) Seems to me if it's not serious they won't loose 800 mil bucks)


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