Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC

Page 2 of 6 [ 88 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

thoughtbeast
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 19 Oct 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,337
Location: Scarlet Jungle of Krypton

21 Aug 2018, 6:47 pm

Quote:

The Union started the war with crippling economic sanctions on individual states.

"The Union" isn't a country and it didn't start any war.

The "United States of America" is a country. It didn't start the war, either.

The treasonous states started the rebellion by illegally affecting to secede from the United States of America.

They lost.

They crashed and burned 150 years ago.

Isn't it about time their supporters got over it?

Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:

21 Aug 2018, 7:01 pm

Any person who renounces his or her United States citizenship to support an enemy of the United States in rebellion against the United States is a traitor to the United States. This includes those traitors who sided with the Confederate States during the Civil War, and especially includes the military people who fought against the United States and committed war crimes against the loyal citizens of the United States -- every combatant of the Confederacy is therefore a traitor to the United States, from the lowliest recruit right up through the ranks to Robert E. Lee.

Traitors.

Every one.

We do not honor traitors to our country, which is these United States of America, so remove those statues erected to "honor" the Confederacy to a far-away place, melt them down, and put the bronze to a more honorable purpose ... such as lining cesspits and sewage processing tanks.

There is no honor in betrayal, there is no honor in defeat, and there is no honor in the Confederacy. Deal with it.

Last edited by Fnord on 21 Aug 2018, 7:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 37,317
Location: Long Island, New York

21 Aug 2018, 7:38 pm

Fnord wrote:

Any person who renounces his or her United States citizenship to support an enemy of the United States in rebellion against the United States is a traitor to the United States. This includes those traitors who sided with the Confederate States during the Civil War, and especially includes the military people who fought against the United States and committed war crimes against the loyal citizens of the United States -- every combatant of the Confederacy is therefore a traitor to the United States, from the lowliest recruit right up through the ranks to Robert E. Lee.

Traitors.

Every one.

We do not honor traitors to our country, which is these United States of America, so remove those statues honoring the Confederacy to a far-away place, melt them down, and put the bronze to a more honorable purpose ... such as lining cesspits and sewage processing tanks.

There is no honor in betrayal, there is no honor in defeat, and there is no honor in the Confederacy. Deal with it.

We do honor traitors who gave aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime
Jane Fonda to receive lifetime achievement award at film festival
It should be noted she was awarded an Oscar after she sat on anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down American planes. She is now an in demand actress at age 80.

Puerto Rican terrorist leads parade on float with Mark-Viverito

Quote:

ontroversial onetime convicted terror leader Oscar Lopez Rivera may have declined the Puerto Rican Day Parade’s “National Freedom Award,” but he was still at the head of the event Sunday — with the City Council speaker right by his side.

Lopez Rivera — who did 35 years behind bars for his ties to the Puerto Rican terror group FALN — was on the first float out of the gate at the Manhattan parade, and speaker pal Melissa Mark-Viverito hopped on to join him at 62nd Street.

_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity

It is Autism Acceptance Month.

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman

Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 21 Aug 2018, 7:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:

21 Aug 2018, 7:40 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Any person who renounces his or her United States citizenship to support an enemy of the United States in rebellion against the United States is a traitor to the United States. This includes those traitors who sided with the Confederate States during the Civil War, and especially includes the military people who fought against the United States and committed war crimes against the loyal citizens of the United States -- every combatant of the Confederacy is therefore a traitor to the United States, from the lowliest recruit right up through the ranks to Robert E. Lee. Traitors. Every one. We do not honor traitors to our country, which is these United States of America, so remove those statues honoring the Confederacy to a far-away place, melt them down, and put the bronze to a more honorable purpose ... such as lining cesspits and sewage processing tanks. There is no honor in betrayal, there is no honor in defeat, and there is no honor in the Confederacy. Deal with it.

We do honor traitors who gave aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime...

DAMN! I didn't realize Hanoi Jane was still alive! LOCK HER UP!

Last edited by Fnord on 21 Aug 2018, 7:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

BaalChatzaf
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Mar 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,050
Location: Monroe Twp. NJ

21 Aug 2018, 7:43 pm

that is vandalism and criminal destruction of property. I should be dealt with to the limits of applicable laws. How much different is that from Nazis burning books written by Jews and Liberals?

_________________
Socrates' Last Words: I drank what!! !?????

Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:

21 Aug 2018, 7:49 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

that is vandalism and criminal destruction of property.

Not when done by court order.

BaalChatzaf wrote:

How much different is that from Nazis burning books written by Jews and Liberals?

Greatly different. The Nazis tried to erase the Jews and their "Jewish Science". No one is trying to erase the Confederacy (that has already been accomplished), only those statues erected to the non-existent "honor" of their traitorous military.

ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 37,317
Location: Long Island, New York

21 Aug 2018, 7:50 pm

Fnord wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Any person who renounces his or her United States citizenship to support an enemy of the United States in rebellion against the United States is a traitor to the United States. This includes those traitors who sided with the Confederate States during the Civil War, and especially includes the military people who fought against the United States and committed war crimes against the loyal citizens of the United States -- every combatant of the Confederacy is therefore a traitor to the United States, from the lowliest recruit right up through the ranks to Robert E. Lee. Traitors. Every one. We do not honor traitors to our country, which is these United States of America, so remove those statues honoring the Confederacy to a far-away place, melt them down, and put the bronze to a more honorable purpose ... such as lining cesspits and sewage processing tanks. There is no honor in betrayal, there is no honor in defeat, and there is no honor in the Confederacy. Deal with it.

We do honor traitors who gave aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime...

DAMN! I didn't realize Hanoi Jane was still alive! LOCK HER UP!

And a lot of the take down the Confederate statues leftists that know who she is and what she did love her for it. It has nothing to do with honor, it is all about if you like or dislike the cause being traitors for these days it seems.

Fnord wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

that is vandalism and criminal destruction of property.

Not when done by court order

There was no court order I am aware at UNC. I don't like "Hanoi Jane". If I was somehow able to smash that Lifetime achievement award a lot of people would be happy about it. I still should and hopefully would be charged with a crime.

Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:

21 Aug 2018, 8:06 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Fnord wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

that is vandalism and criminal destruction of property.

Not when done by court order

The Confederacy will just have to pony-up for a new one.

Oh, that's right ... the Confederacy no longer exists!

I guess the statue will just have to stay down.

To bad ... so sad ... NOT!!

thoughtbeast
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 19 Oct 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,337
Location: Scarlet Jungle of Krypton

21 Aug 2018, 8:39 pm

Quote:

No.

"We" did not honor Jane Fonda.

A private committee honored Jane Fonda.

But when a confederate statue emblematic of southern slavery is erected by perps on public property that belongs to all, then, yes, "We" are being forced to honor it against our will.

Major difference.

Hyeokgeose
Deinonychus

Joined: 24 Oct 2017
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 309
Location: USA

21 Aug 2018, 8:53 pm

War is never simple.

I'm not taking either side here. Food for thought.

_________________
"It’s not until they tell you you’re going to die soon that you realize how short life is. Time is the most valuable thing in life because it never comes back. And whether you spend it in the arms of a loved one or alone in a prison-cell, life is what you make of it. Dream big."
-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.

Spooky_Mulder
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 May 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,041
Location: NY

21 Aug 2018, 11:02 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

We do honor losers of wars
Vietnam Veterans Memorial

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. While I don't agree with the Vietnam war - there's a big difference between fighting AGAINST (Confederates) and FOR (Vietnam) your country.

Last edited by Spooky_Mulder on 21 Aug 2018, 11:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Spooky_Mulder
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 May 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,041
Location: NY

21 Aug 2018, 11:04 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

It should be noted she was awarded an Oscar after she sat on anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down American planes. She is now an in demand actress at age 80.

She did not go to war against the United States nor kill United States soldiers.

Spooky_Mulder
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 May 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,041
Location: NY

21 Aug 2018, 11:05 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

that is vandalism and criminal destruction of property. I should be dealt with to the limits of applicable laws. How much different is that from Nazis burning books written by Jews and Liberals?

Actually it's more like Germany tearing down and burning any and all statues that honored Hitler and the Nazis.

Germany even has a law that America should adopt about banning any and all signs of Nazism in their country. America should ban any and all signs of the Confederacy and Nazism. Or what - is Germany Nazi for banning Nazis?

I can't wait for Millennials to take over because many are in agreement in terms of treating Confederates and Nazis like Germany treats Nazis. It's worked out great for Germany and could easily be applied here.

Hyeokgeose
Deinonychus

Joined: 24 Oct 2017
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 309
Location: USA

21 Aug 2018, 11:28 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

We do honor losers of wars
Vietnam Veterans Memorial

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. While I don't agree with the Vietnam war - there's a big difference between fighting AGAINST (Confederates) and FOR (Vietnam) your country.

Surprisingly, the Vietnamese (not sure about the South Vietnamese) still liked the US after that. I read that the Viet Cong were inspired by United States, notably their leader Ho Chi Minh who drew a lot of inspiration from George Washington, and continued to hold respect for the U.S despite the war and events that occurred during the war. Sure, they were a part of the Comintern; but despite all that, Ho Chi Minh and many other Vietnamese still looked at the U.S. with admiration and awe, to this very day.

Sorry if I sidetracked a bit here, I just wanted to share this because, despite the horrors of the Vietnam War, I see how resilient they are and it really makes me respect them even more for still holding onto admiration despite all that happened (which is just even more resilience).

ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 37,317
Location: Long Island, New York

22 Aug 2018, 7:04 am

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

It should be noted she was awarded an Oscar after she sat on anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down American planes. She is now an in demand actress at age 80.

She did not go to war against the United States nor kill United States soldiers.

She gave aid and comfort to the enemy in a similar manor to the number of women under the name “Tokyo Rose” during WWII. “Aid and comfort” is right there in the definition of treason in the constitution.

Spooky_Mulder
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 May 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,041
Location: NY

22 Aug 2018, 10:44 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

It should be noted she was awarded an Oscar after she sat on anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down American planes. She is now an in demand actress at age 80.

She did not go to war against the United States nor kill United States soldiers.

Answer this one question, yes or no:

Is GOING TO WAR AGAINST/KILLING U.S SOLDIERS the same as GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO ENEMY TROOPS?

Page 2 of 6 [ 88 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next

Jump to:

Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC Post Reply New Topic

Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC