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16 Nov 2018, 10:23 am

How Trump Is Worse Than Nixon - The current president is pushing closer to fascism than even the man behind Watergate.

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When President Richard Nixon decided in late October 1973 to force out the attorney general and replace him with someone who would fire the special prosecutor haunting his life, he went through the chain of command until he got to the third person in line, the solicitor general, who did the deed. Now here we are again, with another president wanting to be rid of an investigation by a special counsel that threatens his presidency.

But rather than follow the regular order, as Nixon had, President Trump selected as acting attorney general a lackey who had been chosen as chief of staff to the attorney general because of his TV appearances as a private citizen in which he echoed the president’s position on the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election. Among other things, he’d parroted Mr. Trump’s obsessive line, “There was no collusion.” It has been broadly assumed that this man would, one way or another, end the special counsel’s investigation.

Whether, as some legal scholars argue, Mr. Trump’s choice was unconstitutional, since the new acting attorney general has never been confirmed by the Senate, or was simply unwise since his choice was blatantly self-serving, the differences in the ways the two presidents have approached getting rid of an inconvenient prosecutor are informed by their different backgrounds.

Nixon, a lawyer who had been a member of the House of Representatives, a senator and a vice president, was more accepting of the political order. Mr. Trump, with no government experience, and little knowledge of how the federal government works, has been a free if malevolent spirit, less likely than even Nixon to observe boundaries.

As president, Nixon tried to bend the constitutional and political systems to his will. He interfered in the Democratic Party’s process for picking his future opponent. And he challenged the separation of powers — setting off the constitutional crisis that Watergate was. But as far as Nixon moved toward fascism, Mr. Trump has been going further.

This isn’t to suggest that Nixon was a sweetheart, or meek in his efforts to save himself. But his background as a creature of the establishment inhibited his actions.

One systemic and critical difference between Nixon’s situation and Mr. Trump’s is that Nixon faced a Democratic Congress, while Mr. Trump has enjoyed a completely Republican-controlled one. (That changes when the Democrats take control of the House in January.) Under Mr. Trump there has been more reluctance to allow top figures to testify before congressional committees than there was under Nixon.

Each president tried to stir up public impatience with his perceived persecution and thus pressure investigators to hurry up, but Mr. Trump makes Nixon look like a pussycat.

Nixon officials were prone to saying things like, “Enough wallowing in Watergate,” while, for example, in early August, Mr. Trump tweeted, “This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now.” Mr. Trump has done much more than Nixon did in trying to damage public trust in whatever their prosecutors might come up with.

Mr. Trump has other structural advantages over Nixon. Nixon’s base nearly melted away in the face of evidence of his guilt in a cover-up. Mr. Trump’s base has yet to be so tested, but it’s larger and more cohesive than Nixon’s. And Nixon had nothing remotely like the propaganda organ that Mr. Trump has in Fox News. (There was no cable TV in Nixon’s time.)

Though both men have shown hatred of the press, Mr. Trump has gone much further by encouraging violence against it. And, as far as we know, Mr. Trump has been less prone than Nixon to using levers of the bureaucracy to punish his perceived “enemies,” but he may be catching up. For example he appears to have moved to raise postal rates to hurt Amazon, whose owner, Jeff Bezos, also owns The Washington Post.

The big question is whether there will turn out to be a major difference between the two men when it comes to honoring the decisions of the law, or of the public. Nixon shied from challenging John F. Kennedy’s narrow electoral victory in 1960 not out of magnanimity but because he concluded he couldn’t make the charge of fraud stick. Mr. Trump, as we’re seeing, needs no evidence before charging election fraud.

When the Supreme Court ordered Nixon to turn over the White House tapes, he obeyed. And after Republican elders went to the White House to tell him that he lacked the political support to survive as president, Nixon yielded to their implication that he should leave office. Nearly impossible as it is to imagine a similar scene involving the current president and his pusillanimous party, Mr. Trump has given us reason to wonder whether he would defer to legal findings against him or even to a re-election loss in 2020 — if, that is, he’s still in office then.

Elizabeth Drew, a political journalist who covered Watergate for The New Yorker, is the author of “Washington Journal: Reporting Watergate and Richard Nixon’s Downfall.”



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16 Nov 2018, 10:27 am

One more ... Nixon can no longer affect anything other than the chemical environment inside his tomb.



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16 Nov 2018, 10:32 am

No, obviously Trump is better.

Nixon got caught, and TEFLON Don hasn't.

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16 Nov 2018, 12:33 pm

Could you not just have one Trump thread with all the hysteria in one thread? Or maybe post these in the Haven? It is ruining this forum.


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16 Nov 2018, 12:51 pm

Bob Dole recently said that Nixon couldn't make it in today's GOP, because Nixon actually had ideas[i].[/i]

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2013/05/b ... r-repairs/

That pretty much sums it up. When a major party leader across multiple generations says on Fox News that the Republican Party should close up shop, that's pretty damning, especially when the current GOP slogan is to make America what it used to be, again.



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16 Nov 2018, 12:59 pm

Does pretty much sum it up.

The GOP was already in disarray, and without direction before the Presidential election. And that's exactly why it fell victim to a predator like Trump.



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16 Nov 2018, 1:05 pm

LuigiGates wrote:
Bob Dole recently said that Nixon couldn't make it in today's GOP, because Nixon actually had ideas[i].[/i]

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2013/05/b ... r-repairs/

That pretty much sums it up. When a major party leader across multiple generations says on Fox News that the Republican Party should close up shop, that's pretty damning, especially when the current GOP slogan is to make America what it used to be, again.

Yeah, that was in 2013, when Democrats had control of government.

Fast forward to the present, and the GOP got their mojo back.

Fox new is #1 leading ratings for 197 months straight
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/may-201 ... ths/365840

Fox News #1 66 consecutive quarters
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyell ... 27a92d536d

"Hannity" is the most-watched non-sports program in all of cable. (WOW! Guess they mean news program).

GOP presently controls all branches of government.

Bob Dole: 'Trump's going to make a great president'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /87340048/

The Democrat party is splitting between moderates and "progressives".

Trump just new ratings high of 47%

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... ltv-pollgs


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16 Nov 2018, 3:04 pm

Nixon was actually a brilliant man, whereas Trump is an insane idiot who doesn't recognize that he's insane or an idiot.


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16 Nov 2018, 4:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Nixon was actually a brilliant man, whereas Trump is an insane idiot who doesn't recognize that he's insane or an idiot.


You would have hated him as President. You would have been just as hateful towards him as you are towards Trump.


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16 Nov 2018, 4:51 pm

It's like these people cuddling up to mass murdering Bush now.


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16 Nov 2018, 6:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump is an insane idiot who doesn't recognize that he's insane or an idiot.


Probably because he doesn't want to admit it.


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16 Nov 2018, 8:55 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nixon was actually a brilliant man, whereas Trump is an insane idiot who doesn't recognize that he's insane or an idiot.


You would have hated him as President. You would have been just as hateful towards him as you are towards Trump.


Actually, I remember his Presidency, even though I was in grade school. I remember my parents disliking him a great deal.


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16 Nov 2018, 10:03 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nixon was actually a brilliant man, whereas Trump is an insane idiot who doesn't recognize that he's insane or an idiot.


You would have hated him as President. You would have been just as hateful towards him as you are towards Trump.


Actually, I remember his Presidency, even though I was in grade school. I remember my parents disliking him a great deal.

I was around then too. In highschool. I disliked Nixon too. And that's exactly the point. None of us could know then what we all know now which is just how bad a US president could be, and how lucky we were back then to have someone only as bad as Nixon to kick around.

None of the worst presidents we have had (from before my lifetime like Warren G. Harding, nor from during my lifetime like W. Bush, and Nixon) were in the same class of deplorable as Trump.

We have bigoted presidents, and corrupt presidents, and incompetent presidents. But never one who combined corruption, bigotry, and incompetence the way Trump does. There were bumper stickers that read "Richard the Lyin' Hearted", and jokes about Bill Clinton lying every time he moved his lips. But in their combined sixteen years in office Nixon and Clinton combined never told as many lies as Trump does every week. The joke about Clinton is almost literally true about Trump: he rarely constructs a sentence without telling a lie.

Nixon come BACK!! ! All is forgiven!



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17 Nov 2018, 4:10 am

Bush started 2 wars on a pack of lies that have killed well over a million people. Worse lies than Trump has ever told. I really shouldn't need to explain this. Obama turned 2 wars into 7 on packs of lies. Trump could expand into double figures if people don't hold him up to account for actual problems.


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