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01 Apr 2020, 12:56 pm

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If you look closely you will see that this is the latest entry from 1 April, as I said above, in a running journal/blog ( begun on the 14 March ). :) And the website is indeed independent, and very highly respected, referred to by public figures.

I still find it illogical: They agree with the mainstream that the most deadly contributor in Italy is healthcare system collapse and then they proceed to propose a nation-wide Corona party so everyone gets simultanously infected to gain immunity.
Do you see the problem?


I must have missed something when reading. I didn't get the idea of a simultanious infection party.

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The director of the University Medical Center Hamburg, Dr. Ansgar Lohse, demands a quick end to curfews and contact bans. He argues that more people should be infected with corona. Kitas and schools should be reopened as soon as possible so that children and their parents can become immune through infection with the corona virus. The continuation of the strict measures would lead to an economic crisis, which would also cost lives, said the physician.


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01 Apr 2020, 12:57 pm

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If you look closely you will see that this is the latest entry from 1 April, as I said above, in a running journal/blog ( begun on the 14 March ). :) And the website is indeed independent, and very highly respected, referred to by public figures.
I still find it illogical: They agree with the mainstream that the most deadly contributor in Italy is healthcare system collapse and then they proceed to propose a nation-wide Corona party so everyone gets simultanously infected to gain immunity. Do you see the problem?

No, because coronavirus minus the panic is probably no more/not much more dangerous/deadly than a bad cold or a bout of flu, with similar risks to the older and more vulnerable, but something that in the absence of panic they could probably just about handle as they have for a few years now, by the skin of their teeth, with the help of neighbouring countries, etc, but in combination with panic has been unmanageable.



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01 Apr 2020, 1:00 pm

magz wrote:
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magz wrote:
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If you look closely you will see that this is the latest entry from 1 April, as I said above, in a running journal/blog ( begun on the 14 March ). :) And the website is indeed independent, and very highly respected, referred to by public figures.

I still find it illogical: They agree with the mainstream that the most deadly contributor in Italy is healthcare system collapse and then they proceed to propose a nation-wide Corona party so everyone gets simultanously infected to gain immunity.
Do you see the problem?


I must have missed something when reading. I didn't get the idea of a simultanious infection party.

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The director of the University Medical Center Hamburg, Dr. Ansgar Lohse, demands a quick end to curfews and contact bans. He argues that more people should be infected with corona. Kitas and schools should be reopened as soon as possible so that children and their parents can become immune through infection with the corona virus. The continuation of the strict measures would lead to an economic crisis, which would also cost lives, said the physician.


Thanks for pointing that out.



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01 Apr 2020, 1:12 pm

The following information is provided:

• Globally: 905,279 known infected / 45,371 deaths = 5.01% mortality rate

• Nationally (U.S.A.): ~185,000 infected / 3,800 deaths = 2.05% mortality rate

• California (State): ~82,000 infected / 173 deaths = 0.21% mortality rate

• Orange County (Ca.): 502 known infected / 7 deaths = 1.39% mortality rate*

This data was valid as of 06:00 PDT, 2020-04-01.  Everything could change in a week, a day, or an hour.

*I live in Orange County, California.



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01 Apr 2020, 1:17 pm

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If you look closely you will see that this is the latest entry from 1 April, as I said above, in a running journal/blog ( begun on the 14 March ). :) And the website is indeed independent, and very highly respected, referred to by public figures.
I still find it illogical: They agree with the mainstream that the most deadly contributor in Italy is healthcare system collapse and then they proceed to propose a nation-wide Corona party so everyone gets simultanously infected to gain immunity. Do you see the problem?

No, because coronavirus minus the panic is probably no more/not much more dangerous/deadly than a bad cold or a bout of flu, with similar risks to the older and more vulnerable, but something that in the absence of panic they could probably just about handle as they have for a few years now, by the skin of their teeth, with the help of neighbouring countries, etc, but in combination with panic has been unmanageable.

Corona minus panic is a highly contagious SARS with about 14% severe cases, about 5% critical cases and mortality around 2%. You can possibly divide these numbers by 2 or 4 due to underreporting of mild cases. Still, if everyone catches this at once, healthcare systems collapse: you don't have intensive care units for even 0.1% of the population to treat the "critical 5%".

But at least corona minus panic does not contain TP shortages. Here people don't panic that much and TP is normally available.


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01 Apr 2020, 1:29 pm

I commented many weeks ago in this threat that everyone should have a pulse oximeter. Why? Because most people that die from COVID-19 die of pneumonia. The pulse oximeter measures the amount of oxygen in your red blood cells. If it falls below 90%, then there is high likelihood that you have pneumonia and you need to be rushed to the hospital immediately. There was an article out today that reinforces that viewpoint:

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Known symptoms of the novel coronavirus include fever, cough and shortness of breath, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). But aside from using a thermometer to monitor for high temperature, should you be stockpiling your medicine cabinet with other tools, like an oximeter?

Andy Cohen, who was back at work nearly two weeks after testing positive for COVID-19, said that in addition to taking Tylenol, vitamin C and loading up on liquids, he used a pulse oximeter to monitor his oxygen levels.

The product is sold at drugstores and online, and is usually clipped onto a person’s finger in a non-invasive matter.

An oximeter is a tool that measures the oxygen saturation in a person’s blood. In a healthy person, oxygen saturation measures greater than 95 percent, but for those with chronic conditions such as COPD, the number may be lower.

Cohen said his doctor advised him on understanding readings that could be cause for alarm, which helped ease his fears while he recovered from COVID-19.

“You could scare yourself and think, ‘Oh my God, my lungs don’t feel right,’ but you could use this pulse oximeter and see, ‘OK, well actually, you’re fine, you’re within the range,’” he said on "Andy Cohen Live."

Source: Monitoring for coronavirus: What is an oximeter?

But then the article goes on to saying "Having an oximeter is reasonable while under the care of a physician". I probably would disagree with the last part. Most people use a thermometer to measure if they have a fever. Do they need to consult a physician before they take someone's temperature? The common man is not a moron!


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01 Apr 2020, 1:53 pm

For months now North Korea has claimed they have no COVID-19 cases. But now the World Health Organization (WHO) is giving them $900,000 to support North Korea's efforts to fight COVID-19. The U.S. is the largest contributor to WHO. So WHO must be under the impression that they have money to burn and because I pay taxes each year, it is my money that is being burned.

If WHO wants this money, they need to come clean. How many individuals in North Korea are infected with this coronavirus? How many deaths did they have thus far? No deaths - no need - no funding.Image

North Korea may claim it has no coronavirus infections, but the country still is getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the World Health Organization to contain the deadly virus.

Data from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) shows the WHO will spend $900,000 to support North Korea's efforts to fight COVID-19.

North Korea is bordered by China and South Korea, two of the countries that saw some of the worst impacts of COVID-19 at the start of the global outbreak. The Hermit Kingdom has repeatedly said there hasn’t been a single case on its soil and that it is implementing social distancing measures.

According to the U.N.'s website, money was allocated on Feb. 27 to the WHO through the U.N. Central Emergency Response Fund as part of the WHO's "early action response to global containment" of the deadly virus.

"The main objective of this project is to provide timely life-saving health assistance in priority countries in order to contain the global outbreak of the COVID-19 virus," the website listing states.

News of the allocation was first reported Wednesday by South Korea's Yonhap News Agency.

In the OCHA report "Global Humanitarian Response Plan for COVID-19," last updated on March 28, the agency said that as of March 13 the North Korean government reported to the WHO there were no detected cases.

Many health care facilities in North Korea "lack electricity, water and sanitation," especially in rural and hard-to-reach communities.

The U.N. estimates there are about 9 million people in North Korea with limited access to "essential health services," and that any increased COVID-19 screening may strain an "already overburned system."

Since North Korea closed its borders and enacted "wide quarantines and travel restrictions between cities and regions," the U.N. said, there have been delays of importing materials, a "near halt" of trading and extended quarantines of more than 25,000 people and cargo.

"Since the end of January, no supplies or programmatic aid has reached the country," the OCHA report noted. "International assistance programs, including critical health interventions, such as surgical and anesthesia care, maternal care, tuberculosis and other diseases, are facing supply shortages and risk stock-outs."

The report added that national authorities are concentrating on preventative measures, "monitoring" potentially sick people, and "increasing health and hygiene advocacy."

Last week, Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of North Korea’s ruling party, called on people to stay at least 3 feet away from others and avoid public transportation.

"We should not let children go outside, especially to public places or areas crowded with people," the Hermit Kingdom's main newspaper said in an article.

The party newspaper also discouraged eating and drinking in public places and touching anything in public places where people eat or drink.

The outlet ratcheted up the rhetoric on Tuesday, calling for "absolute obedience" for the country's coronavirus guidelines, warning of punishment.

An article contributed by Ri Kyong-chol, an associate professor at Kim Il-sung University, warned that no exceptions to COVID-19 guidelines would be tolerated, according to Yonhap.

"The emergency system has announced that punishment will follow if state guidelines are violated," he was quoted as saying.

Foreign experts have challenged the claim that there is not one single coronavirus infection on North Korean soil.

"It's impossible for North Korea not to have a single case of coronavirus," Jung H. Pak, a former CIA analyst on North Korea, previously told Fox News.

The Coronavirus Task Force says the U.S. has done more testing in 8 days than South Korea has done in 8 weeks; reaction and analysis from Fox News medical contributor Dr. Janette Nesheiwat.

Pak, now a Brookings Institute fellow, believes that dictator Kim Jong Un is lying about the numbers to show the world he is in control and can protect his people from the deadly disease. The country has faced a decade of crippling economic and financial sanctions for human rights abuses, cyberattacks, money laundering and the fight over denuclearization.

The WHO's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has come under scrutiny as the virus has raged, including questions about the leader of the organization.

Source: North Korea getting $900G to fight coronavirus from WHO despite claiming no cases


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01 Apr 2020, 2:05 pm

My wife has volunteered to make face mask. Many mask use a metal strip that allows one to conform the mask around the bridge of the nose to prevent air leakage in that area. So we have been working on a DIY solution. I believe we have found a winner. Thanks for all your suggestions.

We tried aluminum tape the kind used to seal metal vents in the ductwork. But alas it was too thin. We tried heavy duty aluminum foil. Again too thin. We tried aluminum foil pan trays. And we found a winner. We cut a two inch strip from the tray and folded the metal over 3 or 4 times and it will work.

The foil strip is not attached to the outside of the mask, like those found on N95 mask but rather is sewn into the inside of the mask. A small pocket is sewn and the aluminum strip is placed into the pocket and sewn shut. Then the mask is assembled.

Thanks for all your suggestions.


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01 Apr 2020, 2:15 pm

jimmy m wrote:
My wife has volunteered to make face mask. Many mask use a metal strip that allows one to conform the mask around the bridge of the nose to prevent air leakage in that area. So we have been working on a DIY solution. I believe we have found a winner. Thanks for all your suggestions.

We tried aluminum tape the kind used to seal metal vents in the ductwork. But alas it was too thin. We tried heavy duty aluminum foil. Again too thin. We tried aluminum foil pan trays. And we found a winner. We cut a two inch strip from the tray and folded the metal over 3 or 4 times and it will work.

The foil strip is not attached to the outside of the mask, like those found on N95 mask but rather is sewn into the inside of the mask. A small pocket is sewn and the aluminum strip is placed into the pocket and sewn shut. Then the mask is assembled.

Thanks for all your suggestions.



Can you extinguish a candle or lighter while wearing your home made mask? You must try it.



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01 Apr 2020, 2:16 pm

jimmy m wrote:
My wife has volunteered to make face mask. Many mask use a metal strip that allows one to conform the mask around the bridge of the nose to prevent air leakage in that area. So we have been working on a DIY solution. I believe we have found a winner. Thanks for all your suggestions.

We tried aluminum tape the kind used to seal metal vents in the ductwork. But alas it was too thin. We tried heavy duty aluminum foil. Again too thin. We tried aluminum foil pan trays. And we found a winner. We cut a two inch strip from the tray and folded the metal over 3 or 4 times and it will work.

The foil strip is not attached to the outside of the mask, like those found on N95 mask but rather is sewn into the inside of the mask. A small pocket is sewn and the aluminum strip is placed into the pocket and sewn shut. Then the mask is assembled.

Thanks for all your suggestions.


Was the blade on a box of foil too narrow?



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01 Apr 2020, 2:31 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
My wife has volunteered to make face mask. Many mask use a metal strip that allows one to conform the mask around the bridge of the nose to prevent air leakage in that area. So we have been working on a DIY solution. I believe we have found a winner. Thanks for all your suggestions.

We tried aluminum tape the kind used to seal metal vents in the ductwork. But alas it was too thin. We tried heavy duty aluminum foil. Again too thin. We tried aluminum foil pan trays. And we found a winner. We cut a two inch strip from the tray and folded the metal over 3 or 4 times and it will work.

The foil strip is not attached to the outside of the mask, like those found on N95 mask but rather is sewn into the inside of the mask. A small pocket is sewn and the aluminum strip is placed into the pocket and sewn shut. Then the mask is assembled.

Thanks for all your suggestions.



Can you extinguish a candle or lighter while wearing your home made mask? You must try it.


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01 Apr 2020, 2:34 pm

Man admits to trying to kill an Asian family because of coronavirus fears.

He stabbed one parent, a six year old, and a two year old before witnesses stopped him.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... ports-say/


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01 Apr 2020, 2:35 pm

If you are good with numbers consider these two disease progressions

week A B
1 1000 1
2 2000 2
3 3000 4
4 4000 8
5 5000 16
In week three there are 3000 new cases of A and just 4 new cases of B.
How many new cases in week 25 for diseases A and B?



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01 Apr 2020, 2:39 pm

Does your wife have any old bras? They usually have a sturdy elastic material. I also have large rubber bands for model airplanes and elastic for model rockets. There may be other clothing items with usable elastic.



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01 Apr 2020, 2:41 pm

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Man admits to trying to kill an Asian family because of coronavirus fears.

He stabbed one parent, a six year old, and a two year old before witnesses stopped him.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... ports-say/


I was wondering if we were out of the woods yet on this issue.



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01 Apr 2020, 2:48 pm

https://youtu.be/jRbHEm9Jp8o

How to make an excellent face shield from an empty plastic coke bottle


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