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02 Apr 2020, 1:27 pm

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https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-stay-at-home-order-exempts-religious-services-coronavirus-2020-4

"Religious gatherings in churches, synagogues, and other facilities will still be permitted under Florida's new stay-at-home order to combat COVID-19."


The thing with churches and synagogues is people can be told by the minister, priest, rabbi to follow certain rules and they will do so. I know if the pastor of the church I go to once in a while told everyone to stay apart as much as possible, no hand shaking, wear masks, use hand sanitizer before coming in etc everyone there would do it and make sure everyone else is doing it.


Those aren't the ones I am worried about. My Governor is putting my loved ones at risk because of his personal beliefs.


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02 Apr 2020, 1:28 pm

There was a hoarder in New Jersey selling medical equipment. But was he a hoarder? Where did he obtain these vast quantity of supplies?

The Justice Department and Department of Health and Human Services are distributing nearly 200,000 N95 respirator masks and other medical supplies to New York and New Jersey after confiscating them from individuals hoarding the materials.

Fox News has learned that the FBI discovered the supplies last week in New Jersey during an enforcement operation by the Justice Department’s COVID-19 Hoarding and Price Gouging Task Force and alerted HHS.

Under the Defense Production Act, HHS ordered that the supplies be immediately given to the government.

In addition to the 192,000 N95 respirator masks, the FBI found 598,000 medical-grade gloves and 130,000 surgical masks, procedure masks, N100 masks, surgical gowns, disinfectant towels, particulate filters, bottles of hand sanitizer and bottles of spray disinfectant.

“Cracking down on the hoarding of vital supplies allows us to distribute this material to the heroic healthcare workers on the frontlines who are most in need,” HHS Secretary Alex Azar said in a statement. “Thanks to the quick work of the White House, the Department of Justice, and HHS, the seized resources were distributed in days to the doctors, nurses and first responders who need them.”

HHS is expected to pay the owner of the hoarded equipment pre-COVID-19 fair market value for the supplies.

After inspecting the supplies, HHS arranged for the delivery of the PPE (personal protective equipment) to the New Jersey Department of Health, the New York State Department of Health and the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

“If you are amassing critical medical equipment for the purpose of selling it at exorbitant prices, you can expect a knock at your door,” Attorney General Bill Barr said in a statement. “The Department of Justice’s COVID-19 Hoarding and Price Gouging Task Force is working tirelessly around the clock with all our law enforcement partners to ensure that bad actors cannot illicitly profit from the COVID-19 pandemic facing our nation.”

The discovery of the materials comes after Azar and Barr last week implemented anti-price gouging and hoarding orders for necessary supplies to combat COVID-19 and protect those on the frontlines. That order came after states, like New York, which has become the epicenter of the country’s COVID-19 outbreak, complained about price-gouging on necessary PPE like N-95 masks.

Source: Feds distribute thousands of masks, other supplies seized from hoarders during coronavirus pandemic

If I recall this correctly, wasn't this the guy who coughed on FBI agents when they showed up to ask him questions and then after he began coughing on them he said I have the coronavirus?


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02 Apr 2020, 1:29 pm

More than 1,000 in US die in a single day from coronavirus, doubling the worst daily death toll of the flu
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The U.S. topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu.

Death counts from the virus are difficult to keep up to date, but the Johns Hopkins coronavirus database – whose sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European CDC and the National Health Commission of China – shows that the U.S. hit 1,040 cases Wednesday at 10:25 p.m. EDT. Since the virus' first appearance in the U.S. in late January, 5,116 people have died and more than 215,000 have been infected.

The previous high mark for a single day in the U.S. was Tuesday, with 504 deaths.

Some researchers say the daily death toll could more than double – to 2,200 or more – by mid-April. That figure would eclipse heart disease, the nation's No. 1 killer with about 1,772 deaths per day, according to the CDC.

“Our country is in the midst of a great national trial,” President Donald Trump said in a White House briefing on the virus. “We’re going to go through a very tough two weeks.”

Lung cancer kills 433 people each day in the U.S. – that's the same number of seats on a Boeing 747 airplane, according to the Lung Cancer Foundation of America. Breast cancer kills about 116 Americans a day.

The flu, a chronic killer that the nation has come to expect in yearly cycles – and the reason millions of Americans get flu shots – killed an estimated 508 people per day in the U.S. during the 2017-18 flu season, the nation's worst in the last decade, according to the CDC. This year's flu season has recorded an average of 383 deaths per day, CDC figures show.

While health officials say COVID-19 is considered a flash medical event in that it is unlikely to maintain its deadly hold for more than three or four months, the 1,000 threshold is a significant one because it shows just how potent an unforeseen outbreak can be on the U.S. medical system.

It also raises questions about COVID-19's possible deadly effects over time. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, has cautioned that the virus could become a recurring event, much like the flu. He said that the U.S. needs to get ready for the next cycle, possibly to occur in the fall of 2020.

"We really need to be prepared for another cycle," Fauci said.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, emphasized the need to continue developing a vaccine and test it quickly so it will be available "for that next cycle."

A University of Washington study updated this week projects that if the entire nation makes an all-out effort to restrict contact, coronavirus deaths will peak in the next two weeks and patients will overwhelm hospitals in most states.

Nationally, the University of Washington model predicts a peak daily death toll of 2,214 in mid-April, and a total of 84,000 Americans dead by the end of summer. That’s more than twice the lives claimed during the 2018-19 flu season, which killed 34,000 people, according to the CDC.

But that figure represents the model’s most likely estimate. The range of scenarios spans from 36,000 COVID-19 deaths to more than 152,000, according to the research team led by Christopher Murray, founder and chair of the University of Washington’s Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation.

As many as 240,000 Americans may die from the new coronavirus according to estimates released by the White House on Tuesday, a grim prediction that influenced Trump's decision to extend social distancing guidelines.

The daily coronavirus death toll likely won’t dip below 100 before June 11, the study predicts.

Coronavirus symptoms can be confused with that of the flu and, indeed, the two viruses have similar effects. Tracking the flu has been equally troublesome for health officials. The CDC says the burden of influenza disease in the United States can vary widely and is determined by a number of factors including the characteristics of circulating viruses, the timing of the flu season, how well vaccines are working and how many people got vaccinated.

Health experts say the future of the coronavirus depends on such factors as whether humans develop increasing immunity to it and whether an effective vaccine is developed. If neither occurs, the virus will likely continue to circulate and establish itself as a common respiratory virus like the flu.

The CDC estimates that the flu has resulted in 9 million to 45 million illnesses, 140,000 to 810,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 to 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.



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02 Apr 2020, 1:51 pm

Went past 1 million cases worldwide today.



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02 Apr 2020, 2:50 pm

10,312 total in Canada today


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02 Apr 2020, 2:53 pm


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02 Apr 2020, 3:05 pm

Relax! A great many of those statistics are of extremely dubious value or reliability. Apparently in the USA a large number of the "cases" are actually "Presumed Positives" where tests have been administered but results not come back yet ... even though it seems that a lot of these tests are being given to people coming into hospitals for the most unrelated or random other things, on the basis apparently that everyone using a hospital is to be tested. And then there's the deaths in so many countries where dying after testing positive for coronavirus is deemed to equal dying *from* coronavirus. I can't take the figures seriously anymore, it's become too obvious how extremely unreliable they are. Whereas to begin with, in February, I used to follow them and consult them like some kind of devout member of a church listening to an oracle.



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02 Apr 2020, 3:08 pm

On page 204 of this thread The_Face_of_Boo made the following comment:

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Jimmy, a one easy way to know whether a mask is effective or not: put the mask on, turn on a lighter in front of you, and try to blow hard on it. If you extinguish it then that mask is no good.


This seems like an interesting pass/fail criteria? So I gave it some thought and experimentation.

Experimentation:
N95 mask - candle would not blow out
3M dust mask - candle would not blow out
home made face mask - candle blew out
scarf rapped tightly around the face several times - candle blew out.

So the pass or fail is a function of the requirements. If the sole purpose of wearing the mask was to prevent someone with infected hands from touching their face - than all four of these mask would be a pass. You could even wear a used Halloween mask and achieve the same results.

If the function of the mask were to prevent the droplets from an infected individual when they cough from spreading and infecting a person standing nearby, I suspect all four of these approaches will work.

Now if the requirement is to stop the aerosolized or desiccated virus in the air from infecting the wearer, the N95 mask passes that requirement because it is capable of filtering out these small particles of aerosolized virus.

So if you are using the requirements of aerosolized or desiccated virus filtering to determine a pass/fail criteria, very few home made face masks will pass. But it is still a good point to raise. Because I am trying to build a better home made face mask. Now in searching the Internet one of the various techniques that are used in some face mask constructions is to incorporate an inner layer of interfacing. So I gave that a test and I found that I could no longer blow out the candle.

So I see that as a useful property. The inside layer of material is silver cloth which has anti-viral/anti-bacterial properties at the mist or fume level of particles. In theory it will destroy the virus on contact. But for the material to destroy the viral particles it probably operate at a low exhaust/inhalation rate. Therefore slowing down and diffusing the vent stream could be a useful property.

So in fabricating the next generation of silver cloth face masks, we will incorporate an inner layer of mid- or heavy weight non-woven interfacing fabric. So thanks for the suggestion.


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02 Apr 2020, 3:09 pm

Why do you think there’s a hospital ship offshore right in NYC?

Why are hotel owners (I mean big, gigantic, luxury hotels) authorizing the city to requisition their rooms to be used for hospital beds and for beds for First Responders?

Why has a whole big convention center been taken over, and hospital beds been put in it?

This is not some propaganda campaign. This is for real.



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02 Apr 2020, 3:15 pm

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I can't take the figures seriously anymore, it's become too obvious how extremely unreliable they are.

And it's not simply a matter of neutral inaccuracy, which is unfortunate but expected in a novel situation. Far beyond neutral inaccuracy, many sectors of the media have a vested political interest in deliberately inflating numbers and inciting panic. So there is not only scientific inaccuracy, but also intentional manipulation. Even more reason to be skeptical of many of the numbers you hear.

And of course you can't believe a word you hear from Communist China or its many propaganda channels:

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02 Apr 2020, 3:17 pm

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Why do you think there’s a hospital ship offshore right in NYC?

Why are hotel owners (I mean big, gigantic, luxury hotels) authorizing the city to requisition their rooms to be used for hospital beds and for beds for First Responders?

Why has a whole big convention center been taken over, and hospital beds been put in it?

This is not some propaganda campaign. This is for real.

^It is for real. The thing I don't appreciate is the medias' politicization and fear mongering, it just adds to the stress and confusion evereyone is already living through. As Darmok was saying about solid numbers, who knows. The #s can be manipulated as to "not let a good crisis go to waste". Facts are millions are locked down, out of work, running low on money and supplies due to around 70% of the working US living check to check and making less than $30k per year. And more.


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02 Apr 2020, 3:24 pm

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China is responsible for the magnitude of this pandemic. They are negligent. Pure and simple.



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02 Apr 2020, 3:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Why do you think there’s a hospital ship offshore right in NYC?

Why are hotel owners (I mean big, gigantic, luxury hotels) authorizing the city to requisition their rooms to be used for hospital beds and for beds for First Responders?

Why has a whole big convention center been taken over, and hospital beds been put in it?

This is not some propaganda campaign. This is for real.

I'm not saying that the panic isn't real, or that there aren't people catching coronavirus and developing Covid19/acute respiratory disease, but that the figures are a mess, and that panic is making things worse/contributing actively to an increase in the number of deaths which are otherwise mostly still well within normal ranges for acute respiratory illnesses at this time of year.

I used to think that even if the case numbers were just a measure of how many tests were being done in a country, ( a measure of "testing activity" ), that at least the deaths would be a solid indicator of something real, but it's become clear that many countries are just banging in any deaths which occur in people who have tested positive for the virus.

And that's another thing, the tests themselves, were apparently never fully tested, only intended for clinical/initial laboratory use not for diagnostic purposes, and with wildly fluctuating accuracy rates.

And in the UK and Germany entire floors of hospitals and acres of field hospital tents and testing facilities in car parks etc are standing empty, the staff still waiting for the huge numbers that were predicted, the "wave", which hasn't materialised.

@ Darmok and pyrrhicwren: Absolutely. Exactly. It's becoming increasingly taboo , almost forbidden, to say anything which contradicts the approved/dominant pandemic narrative of the big pharma-big money-corp powers, via their media, who've leapt on this to help them out of the huge burst-bubble hole that they've once again got themselves into, because it's getting them astronomical bailouts ( $4 trillion plus in the USA, so far ) . :(



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02 Apr 2020, 4:04 pm

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Perhaps for the beginning of it. But once governments and their citizens knew what to do about it, who’s fault is it if they don’t do it? :?

Some countries have had incredibly good responses and kept their infection and death rates low. Others not so much. How is what each country and it’s people do about C-19 China’s fault? :?


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02 Apr 2020, 4:26 pm

It's not like "mainstream media" is our only source of information. There are live streams by hospital workers who are actually on the front lines. There's footage of people on ventilators and bodies being taken out of hospitals. I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I'd rather base my opinions on the evidence shown by doctors and scientists rather than some random anonymous person on an internet forum.



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02 Apr 2020, 4:29 pm

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Some countries have had incredibly good responses and kept their infection and death rates low. Others not so much. How is what each country and it’s people do about C-19 China’s fault? :?


Well if China misleads the world into believing the new coronavirus is a minimal threat "the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission", and then quickly puts Wuhan under quarantine to prevent its citizens throughout the rest of the country from becoming infected (mass migration during lunar New Year), and then lets its infected citizens quickly travel all over the world where they spread the contagion, and then admonishes other countries that quickly put up airline quarantines on Wuhan area - YES, I do feel they share major responsibility for the global pandemic.


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