9-11... Who really did it?

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The missile or plane whatever flew straight into the room where the accountants where calculating who was accountable for several TRILLION dollars that had "gone missing"!

A plane loaded with fuel smashing into a building won't leave much debris... planes are mostly aluminum and magnesium, which are combustible. When a plane crashes at high speed, it generally burns. The damage done to the pentagon was entirely consistent with a high speed plane crash. All of the eyewitness accounts I've heard were of a plane going down and smashing into the pentagon, exactly what was reported on the news that morning.

The missile scenario theory fails to account for the missing plane, its passengers and its crew.

the entire 911 conspiracy theory fails for one very good reason. to plan and execute such a conspiracy would take the complicity of hundreds if not thousands of people, all working in secret and perfectly synchronised. Considering the things that this administration has tried and failed to keep secret recently, such as the warrantless wiretapping scandal and the Alberto Gonzales fiasco, it is apparent that this administration cannot keep a secret. I don't see how a scandal of this magnitude could stay secret after all this time, especially when you consider that the intellegence community, which has pretty much been thrown to the wolves by the Bush administration, would be the likeliest suspects to pull off such a conspiracy and at the same time the ones with the most to gain by exposing it.

Bush has made too many enemies in the intelligence community for any of his illegal actions to remain secret.

Accounting data is never stored in only one facility, for the simple reason that if a fire were to occur, information would be irretrievably lost. Blowing up the room where the accountants were working would not erase the data. On the contrary, it would direct suspicion to that very data and be exposed almost immediately.

All real aspies know who did it.

Hint. It wasn't towelheads with boxcutters. Only a neurotypical would buy that story.

Asperger's syndrome means that the part of your brain that tells you lies so you can effectively tell them to others has died.

Aspies are immune to ridiculous stories like that embarrassing Golan-Globus production on 9-11. A true aspie would never, ever be fooled by the time they saw WTC7 come down later in the day.

To fall for crap like this, you need a biological brain mechanism that makes you want to believe incredibly odd baloney so you won't be a social outcast and your views will conform with the rest of the groups. Otherwise you might not get any girls.

The people who perpetrated 9-11 know that neurotypicals secretly want to be lied to. It's part of the unwritten social contract where everybody agrees to concentrate on the positive and eliminate the negative. Unfortunately, in declining societies this kind of outlook is just plain stupid. Especially when the ideas themselves that they have are simply signaling echoes of what they have been told to think on the televitz device.

The conspiracy has already failed so miserably and so many insiders have already come clean that the only people left who believe this garbage are the truly desperately deluded.

Judging from your paragraph above, I think you need to get a second opinion about your Asperger's. It doesn't sound authentic to me. Too much reference to social consensus. Aspies don't think that way. Their brains don't recognize peer pressure much at all. Are you sure you don't just have a regular, run-of-the-mill personality disorder?

Sorry but that crap,
Whilst most of the plane might fit your material description, the engines certainly do not, youve got 10 tens of some very hard and exotic metals in them and you consider the fact that those engines travelling at 600 miles per hour didnt even break the glass windows they would have hit to be "entirely Consistant".

Which brings us then back to the other inconsistancy with the official story, you rightly say planes are mostly alloy and magnesium, and this fact is used to claim the plane vapourised when it hit the building, well, if it vapourised when it hit the building, how come it still managed to make a perfect 16 foot circulat hole through three seperate rings of the Pentagon, through 9 feet of reinforced concrete?
I used to be an aircraft mechanic, I know the construction of aircraft and that no way would it punch a hole like that.

Experts have said the only thing that could do those holes is a bunker buster which backs my original post, PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF IT WAS A ROCKET NOT A GAS TURBINE ENGINE!, does nobody hear read my posts or do you stick your fingers in your ears and go, "la,la.la, Iam not listening", just because you prefer lies to truth.

As for the witnesses, instead of just watching the ones Fox news show you, do some research where you will find three groups of Witnesses.

1. Those who saw a SLOW passenger jet plane,

2. Those who saw what they discribe as looking like a very small jet or exocete missile travelling very fast.

3. Those that saw both.

And as for where the planes went, the FAA as do all aircraft organisations, keep very detailed records on all aircraft, those aircraft are not even listed as being out of service today!

Sorry to have to disagree with you here Manalitwist, but that part of the Pentagon was empty, the "plane" would have been better off if it had just maintained its original course and flown straight into the Pentagon where it would have got Donald Rumsfelt in his office, instead in did a sweeping turn that proffessional pilots claim is impossible, in order to approach it from the other side to the emphty offices.

I think your getting confused with World Trade Centre 7, the one that no plane hit, but fell down anyway, that building had the FBI offices in that stored all the evidence on ongoing legal cases against big businesses such as the Enron case, very handy for them all when that lot was destroyed!

Exactly. The Bush admin has proved itself far too incompetent to have pulled off something like this (unlike the Nazis, who for the most part were sadly extremely competent - they could pull off a Reischtag fire). The CIA, specifically, always specialised in overthrowing foreign governments (and even in this their competence has gone down recently), rather than this type of actions. And the twin towers footage is demonstrably incompatible with explosives. i also recall seeing Pentagon footage showing debris from the plane - maybe not as much as come people demand, but nobody is asking you to believe it vanished in thin air.
there was a US gov't conspiracy, though - an opportunist conspiracy to exploit the attacks politically.
apparently, some think that aspies must be 'reverse sheep' - they must disagree with everything the majority believes. Most people think the Earth is round, so these people must take it that that proves it's flat?

here's a link to a point-by-point rebuttal of Loose Change:

loose change rebuttals

Ha - funny, but not really rational.

I already know what you think. I have a television at home. That means I know every single conviction you have. You are as transparent to me as if you were made of glass. If I want to understand you, I can just watch TV and listen to what they tell you to think.

Hint - the media isn't owned by Americans. None of it. They helped perpetrate it by covering the backs of those in power.

As for that whole left-right dichotomy, that's just a game played on neurotypicals to keep them paying tax revenues. Both left and right in America seem to defer ultimately to one power and it isn't the best interests of the people who live in the United States.

Well said!

This is the scariest thing I have ever read.

"Authentic" Asperger's requires you to automatically believe whatever is contrary to the social consensus? Not even remotely. AS individuals generally do not base their conclusions *solely* on what their peers tell them. It doesn't mean that they're idiots. If a NT scientist performs an experiment demonstrating the process of convection, or the reaction between two chemicals, an AS individual isn't going to turn around and say, "Nope that person's NT so it must be a social delusion."

And AS people *can* factor societal reactions into their logic. I think maybe you need to do a bit more research on it, yourself. AS lack the intuitive ability to interpret nonverbal social etiquette that most NTs conform to with no conscious effort. They don't realize that when someone makes a self-demeaning comment like, "I've gotten SO fat lately," the expected and socially acceptable response is to assure them that this isn't the case, even if it's true. But they are totally capable of recognizing, over time and through trial and error, that these nonverbal standards exist. In fact, sometimes individuals with AS make the best analysts because they can learn to recognize this system, and yet not be bound to it. They can play the role of impartial, objective observer that NTs in general can't handle.

If thousands of years of recorded history and millions of eyewitness accounts testify to the fact that water can freeze in the clouds and fall to the earth as snow, an Asperger's individual who lives in a warmer climate and has not personally felt a snowflake, or seen a blizzard, is not REQUIRED to disbelieve it simply because it's a matter of "social consensus."

Your attitude is frightening. You're basically a supremacist, only instead of skin color you discriminate based on neurological configuration. Yeah, NTs often seem stupid and illogical to those on the spectrum. But they have their strengths, as ASD individuals have their own. Autism is *not* a disability - but neither is it some kind of "superpower" that raises those who have it above the powers of common sense and reason. You're basically demonstrating the kind of thinking that NTs so often, and so infuriatingly, display.

Maybe *you* should get a second opinion - because it sounds to me like you're more of the paranoid/narcissistic personality type and you just use the reputation of AS as an excuse to say, "I'm right, they're wrong."

That's not AS. That's more of an "as*hole" personality type than an "Asperger's."

I guess you don't have a television. Where do you get your facts from? Are you part of some nice little militant group with matching uniforms? Do you like to meet together at night and talk about your genetic superiority? How do you know what complete strangers are thinking, and how do you know, objectively and without ANY doubt, that your beliefs are the One Truth? Does God whisper them to you while you sleep? Are you telepathic?

Please.

The fact is, you have NO clue what any one else believes, and thinking that you do is a deliciously deplorable trait of those "neurotypicals" you hold in such low regard. NONE of us, none of ANYONE "knows" what really happened. We can only make suppositions based on the evidence we find. News flash: If you want to present your side of the story and explain your reasoning, do that. All you accomplish by accusing others of being "brainwashed" is to demonstrate so clearly that your argument is utterly without foundation.

9/11 cannot have been *entirely* orchestrated and created by some all-powerful government, simply because there's too many variables. Is there a cover-up of some kind? Yeah, maybe. But note that the only truly successful conspiracies are those that involve only a small number of participants. 9/11 effected thousands and thousands of individuals and was witnessed by many more. As the number of conspirators, victims, witnesses & investigators rises, the probability of a successful cover-up diminishes.

Simple incompetence, combined with individual sneakery, is a far more likely scenario. There are plenty of reasons to believe that the American government is not simply an innocent victim in this tragedy, but "not watching TV" is NOT one of them.

you don't know me at all, which goes to show how delusional your thinking is - you say you know every single conviction that I have, yet you'never met me or know anything about my life. In any case, you say not a word about the actual rebuttals and isntead resort to ad hominem attacks - maybe because you have no actual arguments against the rebuttals?
But this is typical conspiracy theory thinking- no amount of arguments and evidence will change their minds, and they will seize on the flimsiest arguments as 'proof' of their theories, like those that argue that because Bush (like most of the white population of the world) is descended from some European monarch there must be some tribe called the illuminati that rules the world.

You guys are funny. Seriously. I find you amusing. Alas, so are all Amerkwans.

The truth about most Amerikwans is that they typically read and write around a second or third grade level, pretensions notwithstanding. Such childlike critters are easy prey for most anybody who wants to come in an milk'em for tax money. They'll believe most anything. If you saw a cow standing unclaimed in a field with a bell and leash around it's neck, would you call it a conspiracy if you took it home and put it in your barn? People as dumb as Amerkwans are going to do what somebody tells'em to do. Is it so bad if a foreign nation in need of cannon fodder hitches their slack-jawed children up as rent-a-troops in order to fight it's enemies? Amerkwans - they're so cushy and pliable.

Your classic "Weer all individjools" denial above is exactly what I've heard from a million TV commercials and popular advertising. Nowadays the public, people with an average IQ of 97, are constantly flattered like ret*d kids by Oprah Winfrey and other media outlets about how "intellamajent we all are."

Yes, you're intellamajent alright. And Edjumificated. But you seem to have murdered nearly a million civilians in Iraq despite the fact neither their leader nor it's people had anything to do with 9-11 whatsoever.

I had an Amerikwan at work the other day who swore to me that Iraq shared a border with France. No, really.

Weer all individjools. The televitz told us so.

Look at this building falling at the same speed as gravity. It fell because it had a fire burning for twenty minutes on the top floor. Now take this candy bar and this M-16 and go fight Israel's enemies, stoopid goyim.

Gosh, could you have strayed farther off topic into a straw man argument you created out of thin air? Your brain is like fantasy camp for mongoloids.

Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote and think about it, instead of framing a reply to an imaginary argument I never made. How many fingers am I holding up? What year is it? Do you suffer from disassociative kinesthesia? Your fierce debate with your fictional opponent is truly a wonder to behold, apparently you have taken over my role in the argument for me. It's kind of like Anthony Hopkins trying to play Richard Nixon. Doesn't quite seem convincing, your artistic rendition of me.

That's so cute. You can manage to be sarcastic and insulting and yet, utterly without depth or substance. But you should be proud, you've managed to actually stump me - I have never conversed with a person completely unaware of sequence and logic. The paragraph that I converted to bold text is the point at which the message becomes "off-topic" and rambling about what you - erroneously - believe to be the definition of Asperger's. My reply was a direct response to that paragraph.

Now, if the Omnipotent Global Conspiracy somehow intercepted your post and typed that paragraph for you, I apologize. Otherwise it's a clear case of cause and effect: You leave the topic in order to display your idiocy, and I respond to said idiocy. I fail to see any "imaginary" argument or "fictional" opponent. I see a point and counter-point. If you were only interested in hearing opinions about the issue at hand, you should have never brought the "authenticity" of a dissenter's Asperger diagnosis into the thread.

Even when posting about what should be an issue unrelated to Asperger's, you manage to turn it into a diagnostic pissing contest and a vehicle for what is essentially another kind of racism. I can only hope that these posts of yours are read only by the autistic community, because it's that kind of ignorance that really hinders the argument that we are not mentally impaired or disabled. Any neurotypical member of society reading these posts of yours would think, "My god, they're delusional and egocentric, if not psychotic."

And do you think that we should care how the neurotypical community views those of us with autism spectrum disorders...? Hell yes, we should. Not because they're better judges of character but because, like it or not, they are still the majority, and their opinion of us impacts the opportunities provided for us. If the majority of the populace decides that we actually are mentally disabled, there will be even more false cures and torturous "treatments."

So do us all a favor, and keep your posts limited to your "I-told-you-so" arguments. You aren't fit to do anything else.