Mideast War blowback
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The protest took place in a residential area of Bergenfield to oppose an advertised presentation Thursday night in town from the real estate company My Israel Home. Video posted on social media shows crowds of people chanting, waving flags and holding signs for their respective group.
A pro-Palestinian group was seen marching through the neighborhood chanting in what some have described as a threatening manner.
The New Jersey chapter of American Muslims for Palestine announced plans for the protest on its Facebook page in recent days.
The organization, which says its mission is to educate Americans about the Palestinian people, said the real estate event was a way for Israel to "advance their imperialist agenda" and likened it to "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians.
AMP says that Israel "is constructing settlement blocs strategically in order to divide the West Bank in order to annex more Palestinian land illegally" and that the settlements "act as a vehicle for ethnic cleansing."
The Anti Defamation League counters that AMP "promotes extreme anti-Israel views and has at times provided a platform for antisemitism under the guise of educating Americans about the just cause of Palestine and the rights of self-determination."
"AMP seeks to delegitimize and demonize the Jewish state," reads a passage on the ADL web site.
The Jewish Federation of Northern New Jersey, meanwhile, issued a statement on social media following Thursday night's protest, offering its support for the Jewish community in Bergenfield and denouncing what it called an "antisemitic and hate-filled" protest.
The gathering was similar to other demonstrations throughout North Jersey in recent months involving information on buying property in Israel. Some of those properties have included West Bank settlements, the sale of which United States policy has considered illegal.
Jason Shames, CEO of the Jewish Federation of Northern New Jersey, told NorthJersey.com that protesters were threatening and harassing Jewish people with chants of "intifada," an Arabic word referring to a rebellion or uprising. He then compared the protest to an outbreak of violence against supporters of an Israeli soccer team in Amsterdam this week in what officials described as antisemitic attacks.
"There’s lots of things I don’t like but it doesn’t mean I’m threatening genocide against other people," Shames said Friday morning. "Consider how far of a leap it was from what happened in Bergenfield to what happened in Amsterdam last night. It’s the same mob mentality."
Not the same at all. The New Jersey event was a totally peaceful protest.
For more about the specific issue being protested here, see the separate thread Israeli settler support infrastructure here in the U.S.A..
As I posted earlier, unlike the New Jersey event, a similar event in Los Angeles turned violent.
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Why didn't the police deem it necessary to break up the violence, or make arrests?
What I can read, both places share same reason for protesting. International Crimes targeting Palestinian people.
Isn't what the Synagogue does, when facilitating these crimes, actually partaking in terrorism? And, especially Biden of the two politicians, to defend it => morally bankrupt
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The Brooklyn protest, which included about 60 people, did not receive the proper permits. Protesters brought coloring pages and a children's book that railed against “Zionist bullies” and chanted “Schumer, Schumer you will see, Palestine will be free.”
Police moved the protest away from the Senator's Prospect Park West home due to the lack of a permit. Protesters clashed with police, with one shouting that they would sue the law enforcement officers.
Protesters shouted “KKK NYPD" and called for US President-Elect to cut all American aid to Israel.
The protest outside Schumer's home comes less than two weeks after House Republicans accused the Senate Majority Leader of defending antisemitic protesters at Columbia University in New York City.
I have always despised people using their children to score political points.
My concern would be that they took their kids to a protest that "did not receive the proper permits" (did they even apply for the relevant permits?), thereby possibly putting their kids in harm's way.
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Perhaps the kids reduce the likelihood of an unnecessarily violent response from police.
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Canadian teenagers arrested for plans to bomb Ottowa Jewish community
The boys were arrested in December and February over a terror plot targeting Ottawa's Jewish community.
“They are alleged to have formed a plan last fall to violently attack Jewish persons in Ottawa, possibly through the detonation of an explosive device at a pro-Israel rally,” Global News stated, citing the Department of Justice.
According to Global News, one of the boys was in possession of acetone, oxidizer and metal ball bearings. These are often used to construct bombs.
Global News quoted Canada's Integrated Terrorism Assessment Center as saying that the plot was linked to ISIS, but was likely "accelerated" following Hamas's massacre of October 7.
“Although radicalization of these individuals reportedly began prior to the October 2023 Hamas attack, at least one of the individuals was reportedly in contact with DAESH overseas and the arrests occurred during a period of DAESH calls to violence in response to the conflict.”
Trump to universities: Stamp out antisemitism or lose accreditation
To “defeat antisemitism and defend Jewish citizens in America,” Trump said he would inform every college president that if they do not “end antisemitic propaganda,” they would lose accreditation and federal support.
“We will not subsidize the creation of terrorist sympathizers, and we’re not going to do it – certainly on American soil,” he said.
Trump added that once in the Oval Office, he would inform all educational institutions that if they permit violence or harassment against Jewish students, they will be “held accountable for violations of the civil rights law.”
“It’s very important – Jewish Americans must have equal protection under the law, and they’re going to get it,” he said. “At the same time, my administration will move swiftly to restore safety for Jewish students and Jewish people on American streets.”
Trump's actions to combat antisemitism
In his first term as US president, Trump issued an executive order on combating antisemitism by adding Jews to the list of protected minority groups under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
Performance by Israeli band canceled in the Netherlands due to threats
The performance at the PAARD venue in Hague was canceled Wednesday night due to threats to the band, which includes Yemenite-Jewish members, PAARD director Majel Blonden confirmed.
The threats were made by Pro-Palestinian groups over social media and called for protestors to gather outside the venue.
Blonden explained it was a difficult decision to cancel the event, adding, "We maintained close contact with the police throughout. Ensuring the safety of our artists, staff, and visitors was paramount. We couldn’t guarantee that."
The decision to cancel was made by the PAARD management team in consultation with police.
A spokesperson for Hague Mayor Jan van Zanen stated that the event wasn't canceled by the mayor, confirming that PAARD made the decision.
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Perhaps the kids reduce the likelihood of an unnecessarily violent response from police.
That is certainly a possibility, now that I think of it. That might actually be a valid tactical reason for bringing kids to a protest, at least for now.
It still seems to me there could be potential bad consequences, though. (For example, the cops and/or unsympathetic onlookers might decide to call CPS on the protesters.)
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No, the point is a strategic boycott of Israeli goods and institutions until the boycotters' demands are meant. For some boycotters, the demand may simply be an end to the slaughter in Gaza. For others, the demand is some kind of longterm solution that gives Palestinians more rights and freedoms than they have now.
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I notice that this news story was organized in such a way as to bury what the protest was actually about.
The first part of the story emphasizes that the protest took place outside a synagogue, making it seem as if the protest was against the synagogue per se, or a disruption of Jewish worship. In other words, just plain hatred of Jews.
But then, buried down in the middle of the article, the following is finally mentioned:
The protest stemmed from an Israel real estate event on Sunday at the Adas Torah synagogue, according to the synagogue’s security director and social media posts from organizers.
The event at the synagogue was promoted by a firm called My Home in Israel Real Estate, a group that has helped to facilitate marketing events for potential property sales in Israel and the West Bank to Jewish Americans.
In other words, a commercial real estate event that was, in all likelihood, promoting violations of international law. (For more about this issue, see my separate thread Israeli settler support infrastructure here in the U.S.A..)
So the protest was not against the synagogue itself, but against a separate organization renting a meeting hall there. Moreover, the protested event was on a Sunday afternoon, i.e. not during the Jewish Sabbath and not during Jewish worship.
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Perhaps the kids reduce the likelihood of an unnecessarily violent response from police.
That is certainly a possibility, now that I think of it. That might actually be a valid tactical reason for bringing kids to a protest, at least for now.
It still seems to me there could be potential bad consequences, though. (For example, the cops and/or unsympathetic onlookers might decide to call CPS on the protesters.)
I don't disagree, it's high risk.
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I notice that this news story was organized in such a way as to bury what the protest was actually about.
The first part of the story emphasizes that the protest took place outside a synagogue, making it seem as if the protest was against the synagogue per se, or a disruption of Jewish worship. In other words, just plain hatred of Jews.
But then, buried down in the middle of the article, the following is finally mentioned:
The protest stemmed from an Israel real estate event on Sunday at the Adas Torah synagogue, according to the synagogue’s security director and social media posts from organizers.
The event at the synagogue was promoted by a firm called My Home in Israel Real Estate, a group that has helped to facilitate marketing events for potential property sales in Israel and the West Bank to Jewish Americans.
In other words, a commercial real estate event that was, in all likelihood, promoting violations of international law. (For more about this issue, see my separate thread Israeli settler support infrastructure here in the U.S.A..)
So the protest was not against the synagogue itself, but against a separate organization renting a meeting hall there. Moreover, the protested event was on a Sunday afternoon, i.e. not during the Jewish Sabbath and not during Jewish worship.
That specific real estate agency has been selling homes in the West Bank many times.
https://theintercept.com/2024/07/09/west-bank-settlement-israel-real-estate/
We have had similar situations in Sweden regarding mosques facilitating crimes of terrorism. I have no problem calling them out for what they do and demanding proper consequences.
How is this any different what the real estate agency and the synagogue does, facilitating crimes?
You are correct Mona. At the bottom of the article from CNN they explain their correction of including the name of the real estate agency. Still, after the correction it's a poorly written article.
I suspect by design. I have seen this kind of written becoming more common in Swedish media outlets.
Like here they offer a neutral part (not really), followed by an emotional sided part which often demonize a person or group of people.
Just like you can read crimes has increase on both sides, yet only the antisemitic is put in percentage. If you read further there are about on the same level according to files reported.
If crimes were committed at the protest, shouldn't they be investigated and tried before a judge first. Yet Biden, Newsom and the LA mayor all circumvent the judiciary. They are acting more like a mob rather than public officials.
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As I posted earlier, unlike the New Jersey event, a similar event in Los Angeles turned violent.
When I wrote "similar event" you all really thought I meant protest, not real estate sale?
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Pro-Palestinian vandals invade home of University of Washington president, carve Hamas symbols
University spokesperson Victor Balta said in an email Thursday evening that “several masked perpetrators” invaded Cauce’s home, where they slashed the tires to her car and painted “pro-Hamas symbols” across multiple surfaces. Videos circulating online show inverted triangles being painted onto home’s walls.
Those recorded promised, “you will not know peace until you meet the demands of our movement.”
“Free Palestine” and “blood on your hands” were also spray painted on Cause’s property.
“Making threats against a public official in an attempt to intimidate them is a crime,” Balta said in the statement. She confirmed that police were investigating the incident and that it “will not influence University policy.”
A Jewish alumni group, verified by the Seattle Times, condemned the attack, writing on X, “We unequivocally condemn this despicable behavior, and look to @SeattlePD and incoming AG @NickBrownNow to find and prosecute these lawbreakers. @UW”
Behind the attack
The alumni group also connected the incident to the Instagram page ‘Escalate Seattle’ which claimed to be sharing the video on behalf of anonymous students.
“ANA MARI FUNDS GENOCIDE This morning, Ana Mari woke up at her residential home in Lake City to red paint splattered on her front door and a message on her car, declaring ‘Ana Mari Funds Genocide.’ In the lead-up to today's UW Board of Regents meeting, members of the community wanted to send a strong reminder to Ana Mari of her complicity in the genocide of Palestinians. In addition, flyers listing campus demands and quotes exposing her loyalty to Boeing-primary supplier of weapons for the zionist genocide [sic] - were wheatpasted [sic] on her house and left in her neighbors mailboxes,” the anonymous students allegedly wrote. “Cauce does not get to live a comfortable life or have a positive reputation while snuggling up to war profiteers. While Ana Mari and the Board of Regents use the bureaucratic process in an attempt to stall out the movement for Palestinian liberation, we will not be deceived or demobilized. Our movement will continue to escalate until the demands for cutting ties with war-profiteer Boeing and divestment from zionism [sic] are met.
"Until UW ends their relationship with Boeing and academically and materially divests from zionism [sic], we will continue to apply pressure on Ana Mari and her accomplices, in all aspects of their life. The power of the people far outweighs the power of blood money from Boeing and other arms of US imperialism. To Ana Mari and the rest of the Board of Regents: you will not know peace until you meet the demands of our movement. The clock is ticking…”
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https://theintercept.com/2024/07/09/west-bank-settlement-israel-real-estate/
We have had similar situations in Sweden regarding mosques facilitating crimes of terrorism. I have no problem calling them out for what they do and demanding proper consequences.
I agree. But, in any given instance, please make sure you have actual evidence that the specific mosque being accused of "facilitating crimes of terrorism" is in fact doing so.
Terrorism in the name of Islam is certainly a real thing. But there have also been plenty of false rumors spread by right wing scaremongers to whip up fear and hatred of Muslims.
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The posters criticize faculty members for their alleged response to the war in Gaza. One poster accuses a faculty member of “ethnic cleansing” and “displacement of Palestinians.” A different poster accuses another faculty member of “racism,” “hate speech” and intimidation.
“I want to be as clear as I can that the University of Rochester strongly denounces the recent display of ‘Wanted’ posters targeting senior University leaders and members of our faculty, staff, and Board of Trustees,” university President Sarah Mangelsdorf said in a statement Tuesday. “This act is disturbing, divisive and intimidating and runs counter to our values as a university.”
One of the targets of the vandalism, Gregory Heyworth, associate professor of English and computer science, told CNN in an email he was grateful to the university for its public stance and for the president’s “clear condemnation of the antisemitism of the posters.”
Heyworth said he “was accused of ‘threatening to dox’ protesting students, in a poster that actually committed the offense of doxing.”
The professor noted the hypocrisy of the vandals, “their willingness to push the boundaries of anti-democratic behavior and infringe on free-speech – to lie, distort, and propagandize – while relying upon those same democratic values for cover.”
University Public Safety Chief Quchee Collins in a letter posted on the school’s website called the incident “an act of vandalism” whose goal it seemed is to “intimidate members of our University community.” He said his department is investigating.
This is not the first incident targeting the university’s Jewish community. Swastikas and antisemitic language written on the River Campus tunnel walls were discovered in February, according to the university. The Department of Public Safety promptly removed the “harmful symbols and words,” the university said.
I’m just tired. It’s been a long year and I want peace desperately, but doing things like this, targeting faculty, administration and staff to intimidate them and spread hate while also just making more work for the maintenance staff is wrong,” a Jewish student at the University of Rochester, who declined to be identified, fearing retribution, told CNN on Tuesday.
“Yesterday we were scared and worried,” the student said. “Today we work towards understanding and peace.”
Another Jewish student, who also declined to be identified, fearing retribution, said they discovered the posters around 10 p.m. on Sunday.
“When I first saw this, I was horrified and upset,” the student said.
The Department of Public Safety was made aware of the posters and removed them.
“This process is painstaking because of the strong adhesive used to affix the posters, which in some cases caused damage to walls, floors, chalkboards, and other surfaces,” Collins said.
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Will leading Jewish groups support a crackdown on pro-Palestinian nonprofits?
Many Jewish organizations have been trying to employ legal tools to crack down on the public promotion of these beliefs, which they see as harassment or worse of Jewish people, especially on college campuses. They are likely to find allies in the new Republican administration.
For example, back in October 2023, the Anti-Defamation League teamed up with Ken Marcus, a top civil rights official in the last Trump administration, to ask nearly 200 university presidents to investigate whether their campus chapters of Students for Justice in Palestine were “providing material support to Hamas.”
That would be a serious felony, since the United States designated Hamas a terror organization decades ago. I am unaware of any evidence of student activists funneling financial or other things considered “material support,” which federal law defines as providing “funds, goods or services” to a terrorist group that the group would have otherwise had to spend its own money on. In the past, when when pro-Palestinian groups have been successfully prosecuted under such statutes, the allegations have centered not on speech or political activity but on the actual transfer of funds from American donors to Palestinians affiliated with Hamas.
But that could change under the next Trump administration. Project Esther, drafted by some of the same influential GOP policymakers who assembled Project 2025, has suggested using a host of laws to target what it describes as a “Hamas Support Network,” composed of groups including Jewish Voice for Peace, the Tides Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund. Those laws include the Foreign Agents Registration Act, Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act and unnamed “counterterrorism, hate speech, and immigration laws.”
Using immigration laws to punish immigrant activists engaged in otherwise legal political activism would raise serious civil liberties concerns. Several leading Jewish groups complained that they were shut out of the planning process for Project Esther, so it remains to be seen whether they would support taking the measures it suggests.
One hint, though, may lie in AIPAC and the ADL having endorsed legislation that would allow the Treasury Department to classify a nonprofit as a “terrorist-supporting organization” and revoke its tax-exempt status without first going to court. That classification would effectively destroy the group’s ability to raise money.
The bill failed to advance in the House on Tuesday, winning a majority but not the required two-thirds. But it could be revived in the next Congress, despite opposition from the American Civil Liberties Union, Bend the Arc, Workers Circle and more than 100 other mostly liberal nonprofits. They argued that “the lack of guardrails creates the potential for future administrations to weaponize these powers against groups on both ends of the ideological spectrum.”
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This would be absolutely horrible. And paradoxical, especially cracking down on dissenting Jewish groups in the name of opposing "anti-semitism."
It also reminds me of some things that happened in the early 2000's, after 9/11, when a bunch of Muslim charities were tarred as "unindicted co-conspirators."
Unfortunately, some pro-Palestinian groups, here in the U.S.A., really do make a point of glorifying Hamas and/or "our martyrs." That's a big strategic mistake on their part, it seems to me (although it should be protected by the First Amendment, up to a point at least).
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