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27 Jan 2025, 12:54 am

It can hardly be surprising, Musk's call to forget Nazism embracing the AfD and his re-appropriating the Nazi salute as his new version of
"from the bottom of my heart" or in German aus tiefstem Herzen

I imagine at his next meeting for the Dept of Govt Efficiency he'll goose-step to the podium.



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27 Jan 2025, 2:01 am

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Conservative parent: "It's clearly not a Nazi salute! Liberals are just a bunch of snowflakes!"
Child of conservative parent: "So, is it okay if I do that salute at school?"
Conservative parent: "Hell f---ing no!"


Sadly it seems we live in an even dumber timeline than you realized:


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27 Jan 2025, 11:33 pm

You'd be surprised who was goosestepping and throwing Nazi salutes

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27 Jan 2025, 11:47 pm

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You'd be surprised who was goosestepping and throwing Nazi salutes


Nothing surprising about reactionaries supporting their fellow reactionaries though. :|

It seems likely that many aristocrats feel sympathy for those they feel will secure their privilege and fight against causes that might erode that privilege, like socialism and liberalism.


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27 Jan 2025, 11:59 pm

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It seems likely that many aristocrats feel sympathy for those they feel will secure their privilege and fight against causes that might erode that privilege, like socialism and liberalism.


the aristocracy were also quite fond of manifest destiny and beliefs in genetically superior supermen who bore their ancestors and bestowed privileges that permit them to live the "high life". Sound familiar?



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Yesterday, 12:21 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
It seems likely that many aristocrats feel sympathy for those they feel will secure their privilege and fight against causes that might erode that privilege, like socialism and liberalism.


the aristocracy were also quite fond of manifest destiny and beliefs in genetically superior supermen who bore their ancestors and bestowed privileges that permit them to live the "high life". Sound familiar?


Maintaining hierarchy is at the core of reactionary and conservative beliefs.


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Yesterday, 6:24 pm

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You'd be surprised who was goosestepping and throwing Nazi salutes
:roll: Typical Murdoch rag looking for muck to rake over. Then 80 year old muck in this case.

See - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33578174

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the aristocracy were also quite fond of manifest destiny and beliefs in genetically superior supermen who bore their ancestors and bestowed privileges that permit them to live the "high life". Sound familiar?
No, but the bias certainly does.


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Yesterday, 8:54 pm

Jewish Groups Abandon X Over 'Toxic Speech' and Elon Musk's Promotion of Antisemitic Content

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Fifteen North American Jewish organizations announced on Monday that they will be pivoting their social media content away from X, citing the platform's harmful discourse and promotion of "hate, antisemitism, and societal division.

Among the organizations leaving X are the Union for Reform Judaism, American Conference of Cantors, Central Conference of American Rabbis, the Workers Circle, Keshet – For LGBTQ Equality in Jewish Life, and T'ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights.

A joint statement of explanation opened by quoting textual sources to support their position. "In Jewish tradition, the prohibition on 'lashon hara,' or 'evil speech,' reminds us of words' power to harm," the announcement began. "The great sage Maimonides taught that even when true, speaking disparagingly of others is 'the evil tongue'.

"Speech, whether spoken or written, can cause pain, shame, and instigate action to devastating effect," the statement continued. "Words can also uplift and heal. They must always be chosen with care, designed to call in rather than call out, to lift up rather than tear down."

The organizations pointed specifically to tech billionaire Elon Musk, who acquired the platform in 2022, for his role in creating a social media environment that is "rife with toxic speech." "Under [his] leadership, X has reduced content moderation, promoted white supremacists, and re-platformed purveyors of conspiracy theories. Musk himself has re-posted content that is antisemitic and xenophobic, promoting it to his millions of followers."

The letter cites as examples a series of ads being run with racist and antisemitic hashtags, despite Musk's claim that he had demonetized posts containing hate speech, as well as Musk's own social media activity, including posting a now-deleted picture of a soldier in a Nazi uniform and praising a user who invoked the Great Replacement Theory, accusing Jews of "flooding their country" with "hordes of minorities."

These actions have intensified scrutiny of Musk's political affiliations and drawn criticism from various quarters, including German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Holocaust institutions like Yad Vashem and the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Critics argue that Musk's gestures and statements trivialize historical atrocities and embolden extremist groups.

Since Elon Musk's acquisition of X, there has been a notable increase in racist activity on the platform. Shortly after Musk took over, a report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) found that changes he made to content moderation policies, including reinstatement of previously banned accounts and a more lenient approach to moderation, had led to a surge in hate speech including antisemitic and white supremacist content.

The 15 organizations are not the only ones to quit X. The Guardian, National Public Radio, luxury fashion brand Balenciaga, and public figures like author Stephen King and actress Jamie Lee Curtis have all recently announced their departure. Many are moving over to Bluesky, an alternative platform created by former head of Twitter, Jack Dorsey, which has, so far, gained a reputation for kinder, more gentle discourse.

Nevertheless, the Jewish groups also issued a word of caution regarding social media in general. "No social media site is free of challenges, and social media's impact on individuals and society overall requires greater study and effective responses," their statement read.

"But rather than contribute to the coarsening of discourse that is so pervasive on X, going forward, we will post content elsewhere."


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Today, 12:58 am

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cyberdora wrote:
You'd be surprised who was goosestepping and throwing Nazi salutes
:roll: Typical Murdoch rag looking for muck to rake over. Then 80 year old muck in this case.

See - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33578174


the BBC article seems to suggest the picture presented by the Sun newspaper was misleading and dishonest. So naturally I checked BBC's evidence. Actually Buckingham palace said the video was authentic. But that From the Palace perspective this is a six-year-old princess who didn't attach any meaning to the gesture.

Those around the royals are also keen to focus on the war record of the then King, Queen and their two daughters.

"The Queen and her family's service and dedication to the welfare of this nation during the war, and the 63 years the Queen has spent building relations between nations and peoples speaks for itself."

There are several problems with the palace's account.
1. We are asked in good faith to believe that since Elizabeth was 6 years old she couldn't have known about "Mr Hitler" and Nazism. Edward (her uncle) was a raving Nazi. I am fairly certain he would have nothing but good things to say about Mr Hitler, and his getting Elizabeth to goose step like a little Hitler youth means she was normalised into thinking proclaiming "heil Hitler" to Mr Hitler was a good thing. I am 100% sure he wasn't making her do it to ridicule Hitler as Edward greatly admired the fuhrer.
2. the photo includes the Queen mother. While you could excuse a 6 year old its a little harder to explain why the queen consort to King George was goosestepping and declaring Heil Hitler to Mr Hitler.
3. the palace said the Elizabeth's good work during the war and when she became Queen was evidence her action in the photo are meaningless. Really? Why is it so hard to imagine Elizabeth may have admired Mr Hitler? after all, her mother certainly did, and her uncle. this would have continued till at least the invasion of Poland and Britain declaring war on Germany, After this Elizabeth began her "good deeds". But in Sept 1939 Elizabeth would have been 13 so she might have spent her entire childhood swooning over Mr Hitler.

I would not be so quick to sweep this under the carpet as it indicates how pervasive the influence of the Nazis was over the british royals even if Elizabeth can't be held accountable for her actions because she was too young.



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Today, 4:17 am

Ok looks like nobody is safe for pointing out the obvious
https://truthout.org/articles/milwaukee ... zi-salute/



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Today, 4:47 am

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Ok looks like nobody is safe for pointing out the obvious
https://truthout.org/articles/milwaukee ... zi-salute/


You're not supposed to notice the Executive has no clothes, but if you do, keep your fool mouth shut. :evil:


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Today, 5:02 am

Elon Musk is getting a valuable lesson on the Streisand Effect.


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Ok looks like nobody is safe for pointing out the obvious
https://truthout.org/articles/milwaukee ... zi-salute/

If you post your political opinion on social media you are likely to face consequences no matter how correct that opinion is. If I was her employer I would not have fired her for that.


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If you post your political opinion on social media you are likely to face consequences no matter how correct that opinion is. If I was her employer I would not have fired her for that.


It sets a dangerous precedent.



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I am not so sure it was the right thing to do. On one hand if enough people abandon X Musk will take a financial hit. On the other hand they voluntarily ceded a still massively popular platform to antisemites. It is very different then refusing to eat in Chick-Fil-A in that respect.


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