being sued for objecting to sexually intrusive scans

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15 Nov 2010, 8:21 pm

This is a full video of the incident. Because this guy did not want to go through the x-ray machine (which is harmful and shows you naked) he was subject to a pat down. and he told the man he didn't want the pat down either . he didn't want anyone touching his private parts.

for that reason they told him he had 2 choices. have the pat down, or leave the airport. he chose to leave.

The worst part is he is being sued for this!! ! for refusing to have harmful, exposing x rays! and refusing a pat down that touches the private parts!

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15 Nov 2010, 8:39 pm

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15 Nov 2010, 9:10 pm

I saw part of this video and it was part hilarious, as in "the guys at Auto-tune the News are gonna have a fun time with this", part empathy, and part utter outrage. Can they really sue you for that?



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15 Nov 2010, 10:15 pm

The state can do whatever it wants to.



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15 Nov 2010, 10:21 pm

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The state can do whatever it wants to.


Yeah, but just wait till the new Congress comes to town, you can bet the people sueing American Citizens are going to end up wanting to have lawyers before the end of this. 8)

There is apparently already a hearing scheduled in the Senate

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index ... splay=2010

Don't expect much of it, but you can expect something to happen in House come January.



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16 Nov 2010, 12:15 am

Now the tide is turning.

The TSA are admitting that they don't have to grab pilots by the balls every time they get on an aircraft.

I just saw a picture of a Catholic nun having her crotch and breasts grabbed by a TSA worker.
What next? Will they need to check that you don't have a bomb shoved up your butt?

Wait. There's more. What about baggage handlers and aircraft cleaners and mechanics and refuelers?

Perhaps every day they should be stripped naked, x-rayed and have an anal probe because they might be (gasp) terrorists.

But we can't stop there. We must do the same to bus drivers and teachers and anyone who works for any government department anywhere.

Just because they have be working for the government for 20 years doesn't mean that they won't have a bomb up their butt tomorrow.



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17 Nov 2010, 10:14 am

This is why I never fly anymore. I would have meltdown at being patted down and when I falcon punched the TSA officer for touching my breast and croch, I would be put in jail.


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18 Nov 2010, 7:25 am

PunkyKat wrote:
This is why I never fly anymore. I would have meltdown at being patted down and when I falcon punched the TSA officer for touching my breast and croch, I would be put in jail.


I agree...as long as there is as Jon stewart calls it, "the rapescan" and people grabbing private body parts. Do they do that to kids too??? Isnt that called molestation?? State sactioned sexual abuse...what next?? A terrorist shoves a bomb up his @ss and next we will have our butthole inspected??

Becides if the Cia, and homeland security have not stopped the bomb before it gets to the air port, they already failed their job....and some minimally paid p***patter is supposed to save america. Right....anyway I am sooo pissed over this.


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18 Nov 2010, 10:03 am

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18 Nov 2010, 1:07 pm

All this pointless hyperbole. A pat down is not a sexual assault, because it does not have a sexual purpose.

Now, there are two real issues here:

1) Air travel is a privilege, not a right. You are free to avoid examination by foregoing the privilege to travel by air.

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2) Current security measures are excessive.

But even if measures are excessive, they don't cross the line into becoming unreasonable searches until they cease to be voluntary.


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19 Nov 2010, 5:48 am

I was thinking about this article and this is a real "flight or fight response"

sorry for the cheeze, anyway if he had a choice in the matter, he would not have been sued for declining/


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19 Nov 2010, 2:03 pm

I personally have no problem with the body scan. I would prefer it over a patdown. If i'm about to jump on an airplane with some weirdo with a knife strapped under his... you get the point, I would rather he be caught at security than let on the plane to go crazy on innocent people. If it means that ten million innocent travelers have to be subjected to body scans or patdowns just to catch the one person who has sinister plans, i'm fine with it. I totally agree that it might be humiliating and uncomfortable for some people, and that it is an invasion of privacy, but I would rather let someone look at a three second personal scan of me than be put in a potentionally dangerous situation.

I do, however, think this partuicular story is ridiculous. Suing someone for not wanting a body scan or pat down? The guy was given his choices: Do it or leave. He left. That should be the end of story. I don't see how this case will ever make it to court.

Wombat: I think that if all passengers are subjected to these security measures, all pilots, flight attendants and other persons allowed in direct contact with the plane should have the same treatment. It's only fair...

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BroncosRtheBest: I will be looking for this story on an upcoming Auto tune the News Segment! :D



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19 Nov 2010, 2:19 pm

i do not think there is anything inherently sexual about a naked body. the purpose of the scan is not sexual and it does not result in any form of sexual stimulation to the recipient.



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20 Nov 2010, 7:58 am

as a person who has been sexually abused, I find this threatening...thus will not fly.
It really sucks that they sued him for declining the scan or pat down...isnt that his right???


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20 Nov 2010, 9:37 am

Wombat wrote:
What next? Will they need to check that you don't have a bomb shoved up your butt?

Wait. There's more. What about baggage handlers and aircraft cleaners and mechanics and refuelers?

Perhaps every day they should be stripped naked, x-rayed and have an anal probe because they might be (gasp) terrorists.

But we can't stop there. We must do the same to bus drivers and teachers and anyone who works for any government department anywhere.

Just because they have be working for the government for 20 years doesn't mean that they won't have a bomb up their butt tomorrow.


I'm glad that there are others who understand where this is leading. If this trend continues, this is the future we will see. Why stop making people even more "safe"? Rape everyone in the name of their own safety - yay! Everyone is happy and best of all, safe!

Fùck I hope the world, as we know it, somehow ends, soon. The human species is, overall, just too sickening, in its current state.... putrid.


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All this pointless hyperbole. A pat down is not a sexual assault, because it does not have a sexual purpose.

Now, there are two real issues here:

1) Air travel is a privilege, not a right. You are free to avoid examination by foregoing the privilege to travel by air.

vs.

2) Current security measures are excessive.

But even if measures are excessive, they don't cross the line into becoming unreasonable searches until they cease to be voluntary.


Being groped between your legs is a form of rape. If you disagree, you are simply wrong.

Furthermore, air travel should NOT be seen as a "privilege". How the hell are you going to move out from some shìt countries if you do not go by air? By boat? What if you want to move from the US to Europe? You're supposed to be months at some boat to get there? Do they even arrange such travels? And do not forget, some countries are surrounded by land, and along with that, other countries. Maybe you want it to be like it is in the Gaza strip? A prison country, because Israel prevents the movement of the people, there? Just one example, there are others. Flying should be seen as a right that you do not need to get raped to be able to make use of.

And the searches are not voluntary. You cannot fly unless you agree to them. And just wait and see, with your attitude, they will start with this in buses and trains, soon, too. Then what, won't bus and train rides be a right, according to you, either? I mean, surely you can walk, or go by your own car that you bought with all the money you have? Then again, just look at how it is in Iraq - those who go by car are often seen as potential terrorists! Better check them, too.


NathansMommy wrote:
If it means that ten million innocent travelers have to be subjected to body scans or patdowns just to catch the one person who has sinister plans, i'm fine with it. I totally agree that it might be humiliating and uncomfortable for some people, and that it is an invasion of privacy, but I would rather let someone look at a three second personal scan of me than be put in a potentionally dangerous situation.


So a form of rape and intrusive and physically dangerous nude scans, that sometimes well may be filmed with the checkers' mobiles and put up on the Internet, are okay, for the sake of security? Is that what you are saying?

It's far beyond a mere ten million, by the way. The world has about seven billion people, by now. Granted, all of them do not feel any need to fly.


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i do not think there is anything inherently sexual about a naked body. the purpose of the scan is not sexual and it does not result in any form of sexual stimulation to the recipient.


You can't possibly know what goes on in the minds of the ones checking the scans. It is sexual, to many. It's just a matter of time until we see a new form of illegal porn on the Internet - filmings of nude scans on airports. This is not something that is due to paranoia, in me - it is based on observations I have made on the utter shìttiness and hopelessness of humanity, that I have made over the years. I used to have hope in humanity, many years back... it slowly grew into an overall hatred. An overall one, that is... not like I view everyone in the same light.



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20 Nov 2010, 11:13 am

Beauty_pact wrote:
wornlight wrote:
i do not think there is anything inherently sexual about a naked body. the purpose of the scan is not sexual and it does not result in any form of sexual stimulation to the recipient.

You can't possibly know what goes on in the minds of the ones checking the scans. (...)

i do not claim to know. the people being scanned are not sexually stimulated against their will. what happens in the mind of the person viewing a scan is of no consequence to me, unless i am perceived to be concealing something. otherwise, as you have said, i cannot know. the mere speculation that another person might be sexually aroused by you without your consent, and your view toward that, seems to be what is affecting you. there is not someone sitting behind a scan monitor forcefully imposing their perverted thoughts on us.