Kraichgauer
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28 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
President Obama's healthcare plan has been upheld by the Supreme Court!
Now, the only thing better would be for truly universal healthcare, with everyone covered by Medicare.
In a related story: Mitt Romney seething with rage and bitter tears that the supreme court has ripped an easy campaign plank from his platform. 
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sweetleaf
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28 Jun 2012, 10:35 am
Kraichgauer
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28 Jun 2012, 10:50 am
28 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
28 Jun 2012, 11:18 am
The mandate is really more of a 'poor tax'. Most folks who choose not to get health insurance do so because they can't even come close to affording it. And this subsidy, they call a 'rebate', to low income people once a year does absolutely nothing to help people living check to check.
And then as it currently is, when a person without insurance goes to the hospital. They still get a bill for those services, so when people go around saying that taxpayers pay for the uninsured, that logic is somewhat flawed.
Even with the ACA, taxpayers are now paying MORE to subsidize low income people to get insurance.
In the end, this is just going to cost everyone in this country much more.
This really is just a huge handout to the health insurance companies, who we're toasting champagne with Nancy Pelosi hours after it was passed.
Yeah, thanks Obama 
PS:
Now this opens the door for health insurance to slowly begin mandating collectivist lifestyle changes for everyone "for the good of the public", things that the government couldn't get away with mandating... or lose coverage, and believe me insurance companies WILL find loopholes that will allow them to still drop people.
Everyone in support of the ACA has been duped ... big time.
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28 Jun 2012, 11:21 am
28 Jun 2012, 11:29 am
And then as it currently is, when a person without insurance goes to the hospital. They still get a bill for those services, so when people go around saying that taxpayers pay for the uninsured, that logic is somewhat flawed.
Even with the ACA, taxpayers are now paying MORE to subsidize low income people to get insurance.
In the end, this is just going to cost everyone in this country much more.
This really is just a huge handout to the health insurance companies, who we're toasting champagne with Nancy Pelosi hours after it was passed.
Yeah, thanks Obama
PS:
Now this opens the door for health insurance to slowly begin mandating collectivist lifestyle changes for everyone "for the good of the public", things that the government couldn't get away with mandating... or lose coverage, and believe me insurance companies WILL find loopholes that will allow them to still drop people.
Everyone in support of the ACA has been duped ... big time.
The thing is, Obama's original plan did not involve this tax, it involved a public option which would not have been a tax at all and everyone would have qualified as having health insurance but Republicans and big insurance threw a huge fit over that idea.
28 Jun 2012, 11:37 am
28 Jun 2012, 11:39 am
Sweetleaf
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28 Jun 2012, 11:42 am
Also I somehow doubt Romney's healthcare plan would have been much better.
It's still something of a moral victory for the president.
Oh well isn't that just precious
And considering the density of so many of our fellow Americans, it will probably take baby steps such as this plan in order to achieve true universal healthcare.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Why do you think this is a move towards true Universal Healthcare?.......it it was then there would be no forced purchasing of a product from the private market. You know what it is when the corporations and government team up the way they are? Fasicsm....but of course they want us to think its a move towards Universal Healthcare.
Seriously though if it is why did they throw out the part about expanding medicaid? and great so maybe since I am poor as hell I don't have to pay the tax for not purchasing health insurance but so what's the improvement? I still don't have access to adequate healthcare.
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28 Jun 2012, 11:42 am
Sweetleaf
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28 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
And then as it currently is, when a person without insurance goes to the hospital. They still get a bill for those services, so when people go around saying that taxpayers pay for the uninsured, that logic is somewhat flawed.
Even with the ACA, taxpayers are now paying MORE to subsidize low income people to get insurance.
In the end, this is just going to cost everyone in this country much more.
This really is just a huge handout to the health insurance companies, who we're toasting champagne with Nancy Pelosi hours after it was passed.
Yeah, thanks Obama
PS:
Now this opens the door for health insurance to slowly begin mandating collectivist lifestyle changes for everyone "for the good of the public", things that the government couldn't get away with mandating... or lose coverage, and believe me insurance companies WILL find loopholes that will allow them to still drop people.
Everyone in support of the ACA has been duped ... big time.
The thing is, Obama's original plan did not involve this tax, it involved a public option which would not have been a tax at all and everyone would have qualified as having health insurance but Republicans and big insurance threw a huge fit over that idea.
Yeah I can see he put a lot of effort into fighting that tax and/or fee....looks to me like he kinda just went along with it.
Sweetleaf
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28 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
28 Jun 2012, 11:54 am
And then as it currently is, when a person without insurance goes to the hospital. They still get a bill for those services, so when people go around saying that taxpayers pay for the uninsured, that logic is somewhat flawed.
Even with the ACA, taxpayers are now paying MORE to subsidize low income people to get insurance.
In the end, this is just going to cost everyone in this country much more.
This really is just a huge handout to the health insurance companies, who we're toasting champagne with Nancy Pelosi hours after it was passed.
Yeah, thanks Obama
PS:
Now this opens the door for health insurance to slowly begin mandating collectivist lifestyle changes for everyone "for the good of the public", things that the government couldn't get away with mandating... or lose coverage, and believe me insurance companies WILL find loopholes that will allow them to still drop people.
Everyone in support of the ACA has been duped ... big time.
The thing is, Obama's original plan did not involve this tax, it involved a public option which would not have been a tax at all and everyone would have qualified as having health insurance but Republicans and big insurance threw a huge fit over that idea.
Yeah I can see he put a lot of effort into fighting that tax and/or fee....looks to me like he kinda just went along with it.
He did fight some but it was like he was trying to hold back an ocean tide.
Sweetleaf
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28 Jun 2012, 12:02 pm
28 Jun 2012, 12:06 pm
