Propaganda push for Obamacare (with Federal tax money)

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Realizing that much of the battle will be in the public relations realm, the exchange has poured significant resources into a detailed marketing plan — developed not by state health bureaucrats but by the global marketing powerhouse Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, which has an initial $900,000 contract with the exchange. The Ogilvy plan includes ideas for reaching an uninsured population that speaks dozens of languages and is scattered through 11 media markets: advertising on coffee cup sleeves at community colleges to reach adult students, for example, and at professional soccer matches to reach young Hispanic men.

And Hollywood, an industry whose major players have been supportive of President Obama and his agenda, will be tapped. Plans are being discussed to pitch a reality television show about “the trials and tribulations of families living without medical coverage,” according to the Ogilvy plan. The exchange will also seek to have prime-time television shows, like “Modern Family,” “Grey’s Anatomy” and Univision telenovelas, weave the health care law into their plots.

“I’d like to see 10 of the major TV shows, or telenovelas, have people talking about ‘that health insurance thing,’ ” said Peter V. Lee, the exchange’s executive director. “There are good story lines here.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/healt ... wanted=all

Seriously, if Obamacare was half as good as the left claims they wouldn't need to do all this...

obamacare is wholly as good as the left claims and the only reason it needs PR is to combat the lies (death panels, government making your health decisions, rationed care) put forth by FOX news.

75% of americans were FOR health care reform before FOX news started in on it.

Problem with your statement is that Fox News is telling the truth.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/brain- ... th-panels/

Also let's look at Government Run Healthcare in Britain
NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.


Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.


He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.


It is designed to come into force when doctors believe it is impossible for a patient to recover and death is imminent.


It can include withdrawal of treatment – including the provision of water and nourishment by tube – and on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours.

There are around 450,000 deaths in Britain each year of people who are in hospital or under NHS care. Around 29 per cent – 130,000 – are of patients who were on the LCP.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z26h55P6E8

I don't think we want to follow this example.

We have death panels. If an insurance company denies a claim it can be argued that they have passed a death sentence on that person by denying them healthcare. But how responsible are they? Are they responsible for a smoker with lung cancer or an overweight person with diabetes? We can't save everyone. Some people are just asking to die.

There is also legal recourse against Insurance companies, good luck sueing an unelected government official.

To me this attitude is quite sickening; it's one small step away from 'euphanising the unfit'.

Socialised health care inevitably becomes minimalist health care because the government who funds it would rather spend the cash in other ways (i.e. blowing up the middle east/propping up zombie banks). No wonder the top PR people are being employed. What would be really great is if the public just for once saw the glossy, Hollywood, multimillion dollar lies for what they really are and stonewalled it.

to those rich smug righties [or their cruel and clueless tools] - [all of whom are blessed to have gold-plated health insurance and have absolutely no financial worries in this regard] who say the working class doesn't deserve the benefits of obamacare, i say that 1] unless you stoop to repealing EMTALA, the ER back-door subsidy of the indigent uninsured will continue making suckers of you all, and 2] a glass half full is better than one which is empty- you who worship at the altar of capitalism will continue to have your beloved insurance companies in the drivers's seat, there will be no canadian style humane health care financing system here in the land of the wageslave. the repub's preferred pre-obamacare status quo [50+ million uninsured/uninsurable] is a totally empty glass for working class folk such as myself who don't qualify for the indigent write-off but who lack any hope of ever being able to afford [out-of-pocket] even the most rudimentary primary care, much less ruinously expensive tertiary care. so i would suggest that you righties learn to live with the hateful thought that low-rent people like me can finally, actually, get some affordable health care for once, and save your venom for fighting gay marriage or something like that.

There's theoretical legal recourse. But seriously, how is a middle class or poor individual supposed to fight a room full of high price lawyers the insurance companies employ? Insurance companies only exist to make money at the expense of the people who believe they can depend on them. To make matters worse, there are those on the right who defend their abhorrent and soulless practices when it comes to preexisting conditions, life time caps, and the random chance customers can be deserted when they need help the most.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The United States of America is the ONLY Democratic country in the world NOT to have free universal health care!
http://usliberals.about.com/od/healthca ... thCare.htm

If I lived in the US, I'd move to Canada or Cuba!
Or vote Democrat, if that would change the ...?
...Is it the Senate or Congress that has the knives out for ordinary Americans
...Or is it just the Republicans aching for a return to slavery?

For those who, unlike some, may be wondering about the quality of the source: The Daily Mail specialises in exaggeration, alarmist hyperbole and scare stories. It does a pretty good impression on paper of what Faux Noise does on TV. No-one in the UK takes it seriously - except perhaps its editor.

This is a good description:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

Just for fun - the Daily Mail's causes for cancer:
http://brettanderson.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,197004


Digging around for more information on the claims made about the LCP found this:
http://www.cmfblog.org.uk/2012/06/25/is ... e-pathway/


And Inuyasha, before you start ranting on about my not knowing what I'm talking about - I have first-hand experience of the LCP in use because my father was placed on it during the last week or so of his life.

yes.

Cornflake, all I'm going to say is you got lucky, cause I know of people that have suffered from socialized medicine, I know of these cases because they are friends of my parents. So Fox News and Daily Mail are not making these cases up, they are happening, glad you didn't have to experience it though.

What about all those people who have in fact benefited from socialized medicine?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, not lucky at all - just received exactly what was expected and I wouldn't expect anything less of the NHS.
The NHS certainly has problems, like any large organisation would, but on the whole it does an absolutely incredible job. I was going to relate a story about the free treatment of my aged neighbour's broken arm and physiotherapy but there's really no point.
The problem is that people with ulterior motives and a political axe to grind will only ever focus on the negative aspects.

Compare and contrast to the situation in the USA - as I understand it, the only developed nation to not provide free-at-the-point-of-delivery healthcare for all - where there, the value of someone's life is directly related to how much they can pay. Can't afford treatment? Oh tough luck - hope your resultant suffering and possible death isn't too painful - but you really should have worked harder and saved more, you know...
I don't understand how anyone in the USA can accept and even defend that situation - it's disgraceful and barbaric - and when I see Americans here agreeing, then I realise there is some hope after all.

Read what I posted about that rag again, and what the survey actually uncovered.
You might want to reconsider the meaning of this, too: "What we are seeing this week is a classic application of the ‘post hoc propter hoc’ fallacy, the mistaken notion that simply because one thing happens after another the first event was a cause of the second event."

Basically this whole story is "Oh noes!! ! People DIE when they're on the LCP!! ! It's EUTHANASIA!! ! They're all being killlllled!! !"
Well of course they die - the LCP is used for various end-of-life scenarios.

Sure, anyone is free to go on into conspiracies if they want to, where investigations into actual performance in hospitals and reports of effectiveness etc could be falsified, or how highly trained medical professionals could lie to protect their jobs - but at some point you have to ask (as that article I linked actually did) - "Is the NHS really killing 130,000 patients a year with the Liverpool Care Pathway?" - and the answer is quite simply "No, it is not".

And then ask why, if there truly is euthanasia (euthanasia? Wut? - really??) being carried out on this scale - why only one so-called "newspaper" made a splash about it: were the others bribed not to? Maybe they didn't care? Maybe they have some financial gain by not mentioning it?
Or maybe because the more responsible newspapers - the ones interested in actual facts instead of shock-horror headlines - found it was entirely unsubstantiated, and with respect to The Daily Mail in particular - just another of its interminable series of scare stories. (check out that list of causes for cancer I linked - you see how they all link to actual newspaper pages? Do you really need further demonstration of how it concentrates on idiotic scare stories? Why would this LCP story not be another one with a track record like that?)

So you see it's not a simplistic case of what one or two news organisations say at all - it's that taken in balance with what professional bodies directly involved have to say and what the more responsible media outlets with a demonstrably sound and factual track record don't say.

Perhaps they would have benefited from medical treatment provided under any system that can provide proper medical treatment.

The "socialized" part of medicine pertains to how the services are provide and paid for, not the kind of medical treatment offered.

I am sure that infections are treated the same way under NHS as they are by private medical service providers in the U.S..

ruveyn

Of course, the medical treatment under any system would be the same. But a system of socialized medicine would allow those who have no financial means of receiving said medical treatment when they might not have been able to under other circumstances.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer