Obama Reaffirms He Won't Negotiate With Terrorists

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14 Jan 2013, 7:01 pm

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President Obama warned congressional Republicans Monday that a failure to raise the federal debt ceiling in the next several weeks would spell “disaster” for the US and global economies. And he reiterated his position that he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling.

“These are bills that have already been racked up, and we need to pay them,” Mr. Obama said in the last presidential press conference of his first term. “So while I'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, America cannot afford another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up.”


Obama also bemoaned the pattern of the past two years, in which the government lurches “from crisis to crisis.”



Without congressional action, the federal government will reach the limit of its borrowing authority as soon as Feb. 15. If that happens, Obama warned, a host of government functions will be suspended, including the sending of Social Security payments, veterans’ benefits, and paychecks to federal workers, such as US troops, food inspectors, and air-traffic controllers.

“Investors around the world will ask if the United States of America is in fact a safe bet,” Obama said, speaking in the East Room of the White House. “Markets could go haywire.”

Obama was, in effect, laying the political groundwork to blame congressional Republicans if the US again flirts with defaulting on its debt, as it did in the summer of 2011. That episode led to a downgrading of America’s AAA credit rating and, the president said Monday, hurt job creation.

Obama also suggested repeatedly that his recent reelection represented a vote for his position on deficit reduction.

“By the way,” he said, “the American people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that also takes into account the need for us to grow this economy and put people back to work.”

To Obama, the word “balanced” stands for increasing tax revenue along with spending cuts. After the recently concluded deal to avert the year-end “fiscal cliff,” in which taxes went up on the wealthiest Americans, Republicans have said that’s it for tax increases.

Immediately after Obama’s press conference, House Speaker John Boehner (R) responded with a statement repeating the GOP position that an increase in the debt ceiling must be accompanied by an equal amount in spending cuts.

“The American people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time,” Speaker Boehner said. “The consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are real, but so too are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved.”


Considering the disaster that we know as Southern Europe--even the IMF has backed off the idea of austerity in favor of growth until the world economy recovers...

And yet, the GOP seems hell bent on RE-CRASHING the world economy via a manufactured debt ceiling crisis! :?

This is poof positive--the Tea Party is REALLY Tea Qaeda! AUSTERITY AKBAR!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

Congress needs an enema. :roll:


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14 Jan 2013, 7:07 pm

couldn't agree more.



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15 Jan 2013, 2:13 am

At least the government is starting to be honest about what the dollar is going to be worth at the rate they are borrowing.
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15 Jan 2013, 4:08 am

Obama is a terrorist and dictator. Most Republicans are no better.



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15 Jan 2013, 1:11 pm

John_Browning wrote:
At least the government is starting to be honest about what the dollar is going to be worth at the rate they are borrowing.


The dollar is worth what people will pay for it. And what other currency are they going to buy? Of the global reserve currencies, the Euro only represents roughly one-third of US dollar volume, and is in a more troublesome state than the greenback. As for the rest of us, Britain, Japan, Switzerland and Canada don't have enough volume to take up much slack.

Your concern should not be about the value of your dollar, it should be about your ability to market the T-bills that back the dollar.


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15 Jan 2013, 4:40 pm

The best way to increase the US dollar's value is to raise taxes. Taxes determine the value of money; when you're forced to pay a tax in dollars, you need dollars.



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15 Jan 2013, 5:27 pm

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The best way to increase the US dollar's value is to raise taxes. Taxes determine the value of money; when you're forced to pay a tax in dollars, you need dollars.


I don't think that there is any macroeconomist worthy of the title who would agree with you. The value of currency is determined solely by the willingness of people to buy it. Now, fiscal policy does have an impact on the perceived value of the currency--I'm not prepared to buy Euros until the ECB can figure out a way to get the PIGS in line. But taxes do not link directly to a determination of value.

A balanced budget will have a positive influence on currency value, but that is a somewhat different thing that merely higher taxes, especially if those higher taxes have a depressive effect on economic growth.


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15 Jan 2013, 7:25 pm

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16 Jan 2013, 6:45 pm

The chickens have come home to roost, and the third act of this play is falling apart.

The last time our economy produced anything was computers in the 90s, and following the Resolution Trust markdown of real estate, it started a boom that ended with the Dotcom Bust.

Congress continued living in the past, expecting another cow to milk would come along, and living on credit till their ship came in.

Short term thinking leads to long term debt.

Spending is a problem, has been for a while. It was not wasteful raises in Social Security, which has not kept up with inflation.

Spending for the war machine with no bid contracts to select companies has funded corporations over domestic improvment, and for education, domestic production, transportation, employment, that was deferred, the money routed into pensions.

Economic History says there are limits to growth, and we are there. Growing a larger pie has been the method to keep the Ponzi going, but the pie is shrinking, so they only way out is shrinking people, reducing income to reduce demand, which then calls for more reduction.

Cutting Defense spending by two thirds, it would take twenty years to pay down the debt. The other half of government spending is Social Security, Medical, Food Stamps, which cutting would cause a sudden dis election of government.

Trapped between losing votes, and losing payoffs, Congress will chose to crash the world economy, because that keeps them in power.

Reducing the value of money reduces debt, and the cost of domestic spending. Real wages have been falling for forty years. The buying power of Social Security has also, and the inflation index is based on computers, which get cheaper, no longer food and fuel, which went up.

Inflation is a pay cut that also moves more income into a higher tax bracket.

There is no way out, The housing bubble has left an economic hole larger than the National Debt. Banks are hiding their losses,

Cuts would reduce the economy, produce more unemployment, and even the threatened Cliff, is an 8% reduction of Government spending that is 30% above income. It is like tearing the wings off of a falling plane, to lighten the load.

More spending has a way of going to Defense, giveaways to Wall Street, Tax Cuts, for special friends, and buying machine guns for schools and the TSA.

Employment has been reduced by waiting for people to die, and keeping people out of the labor force.

These trends will continue.



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16 Jan 2013, 7:04 pm

Inventor wrote:
The chickens have come home to roost, and the third act of this play is falling apart.

The last time our economy produced anything was computers in the 90s, and following the Resolution Trust markdown of real estate, it started a boom that ended with the Dotcom Bust.

Congress continued living in the past, expecting another cow to milk would come along, and living on credit till their ship came in.

Short term thinking leads to long term debt.

Spending is a problem, has been for a while. It was not wasteful raises in Social Security, which has not kept up with inflation.

Spending for the war machine with no bid contracts to select companies has funded corporations over domestic improvment, and for education, domestic production, transportation, employment, that was deferred, the money routed into pensions.

Economic History says there are limits to growth, and we are there. Growing a larger pie has been the method to keep the Ponzi going, but the pie is shrinking, so they only way out is shrinking people, reducing income to reduce demand, which then calls for more reduction.

Cutting Defense spending by two thirds, it would take twenty years to pay down the debt. The other half of government spending is Social Security, Medical, Food Stamps, which cutting would cause a sudden dis election of government.

Trapped between losing votes, and losing payoffs, Congress will chose to crash the world economy, because that keeps them in power.

Reducing the value of money reduces debt, and the cost of domestic spending. Real wages have been falling for forty years. The buying power of Social Security has also, and the inflation index is based on computers, which get cheaper, no longer food and fuel, which went up.

Inflation is a pay cut that also moves more income into a higher tax bracket.

There is no way out, The housing bubble has left an economic hole larger than the National Debt. Banks are hiding their losses,

Cuts would reduce the economy, produce more unemployment, and even the threatened Cliff, is an 8% reduction of Government spending that is 30% above income. It is like tearing the wings off of a falling plane, to lighten the load.

More spending has a way of going to Defense, giveaways to Wall Street, Tax Cuts, for special friends, and buying machine guns for schools and the TSA.

Employment has been reduced by waiting for people to die, and keeping people out of the labor force.

These trends will continue.
What is the best solution raise taxes on someone with a really low marginal propensity to consume to deal the least amount of damage. those are the people congress defends the tax breaks for the most is the problem.

Also dying in a plane blown up by terrorists sounds better than a slow and painful death by starvation.



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18 Jan 2013, 12:25 am

Obama a blithering idiot, a dictator wanna-be. The moment he sees a chance, he will negotiate with terrorists.



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18 Jan 2013, 12:36 am

visagrunt wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
The best way to increase the US dollar's value is to raise taxes. Taxes determine the value of money; when you're forced to pay a tax in dollars, you need dollars.


I don't think that there is any macroeconomist worthy of the title who would agree with you. The value of currency is determined solely by the willingness of people to buy it. Now, fiscal policy does have an impact on the perceived value of the currency--I'm not prepared to buy Euros until the ECB can figure out a way to get the PIGS in line. But taxes do not link directly to a determination of value.

A balanced budget will have a positive influence on currency value, but that is a somewhat different thing that merely higher taxes, especially if those higher taxes have a depressive effect on economic growth.



The State Theory of Money is widely accepted by macroecomists everywhere. It maintains that demand for money is established by the State demanding taxes in it. You must get this currency if you are to pay these taxes... and you must pay these taxes if you do business in the sovereign country. That's what solves this issue about the money being made of paper or not backed by gold. It can be poker chips for all we care if the State demands taxes in it.

A balanced budget is bad if there's a trade deficit because if the trade sector is negative and the public sector is neutral or positive, then the private sector must be negative... burdening the private sector with debt. The three sectors must amount to zero.



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18 Jan 2013, 12:42 am

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Obama a blithering idiot, a dictator wanna-be. The moment he sees a chance, he will negotiate with terrorists.


Are you getting your opinion about the president exclusively from Fox and the NRA?

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18 Jan 2013, 6:11 am

Having been called a Terrorist, I would not negotiate with him.

In the Immortal words of Nancy Reagan, "NO!"

NO! to the debt ceiling.

NO! to avoiding the Cliff.

NO! to disarming the people.

While the President has the Veto, The House of The People has the Power of the Purse.

We will not fund that, is a reasonable reply.

The House is siding with the Russians and the Chinese, when the UN approved a no fly zone in Libya, Obama used it for a trillion dollar bombing raid that created a political settlement by slaughter, and bought the Islamic Brotherhood to power in Libya, and in Mali.

The man is a Bounder, he over steps his bounds, and trys to see what he can get away with. What we call, Chicago Style.

There was never an Embassy in Benghazi, or a CIA Station, Kadafi would not approve, no new government had been formed, it was an invasion of someone else's country, taking property, and running up the flag.

They were not allowed back in by the real government.

France of all people is having to clean up the mess he left in Mali, Algeria, where The Brotherhood has all the weapons of Libya.

Sryia was supported on his watch, CIA, Weapons, Money, and has killed 60,000 trying to invade a country, that just wanted to be left alone.

He killed these people for the Jewish Vote. And Money. He made Bibi's girlfriend the Secretary of State.

My way or the highway, OK, Barry, enjoy your four year walk down that road, because no one is going to talk to you, fund your thug ways, or vote for anything you want.

He gets the part where he is President, but misses the, Of The United States. He will be gone, The United States will continue, and we need to protect our international reputation.

Congress did right about taxes, extending unemployment, but is not going to fund any more shovel ready projects that shovel money directly to Goldman Sachs.

AIG covered their Short of America, were bankrupt, but Obama stepped in and paid off their gambling debt 100%. GM was bankrupt, Obama stepped in and shafted the Bond Holders, and did a Presidential restructuring, giving it to the UAW.

We have Laws, and this is not Chicago Gangsters,

He speaks well, is educated, dresses well, but in his brain he is a Thug.

So you think you run America? Go ahead, we will watch.

You are at the Debt Ceiling, the Cliff is coming, let the White House deal with it.

The Democrats can have all the money they want by cutting government spending, which they have to under the Cliff, and can abolish The Department of Education, and other agencies that do nothing. Grain and oil are tripled in price, yet they get paid by the Government?

Cut Barry cut, see Barry cut, cut Barry cut!



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18 Jan 2013, 6:21 am

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Having been called a Terrorist, I would not negotiate with him.

In the Immortal words of Nancy Reagan, "NO!"

NO! to the debt ceiling.

NO! to avoiding the Cliff.

NO! to disarming the people.

While the President has the Veto, The House of The People has the Power of the Purse.

We will not fund that, is a reasonable reply.

The House is siding with the Russians and the Chinese, when the UN approved a no fly zone in Libya, Obama used it for a trillion dollar bombing raid that created a political settlement by slaughter, and bought the Islamic Brotherhood to power in Libya, and in Mali.

The man is a Bounder, he over steps his bounds, and trys to see what he can get away with. What we call, Chicago Style.

There was never an Embassy in Benghazi, or a CIA Station, Kadafi would not approve, no new government had been formed, it was an invasion of someone else's country, taking property, and running up the flag.

They were not allowed back in by the real government.

France of all people is having to clean up the mess he left in Mali, Algeria, where The Brotherhood has all the weapons of Libya.

Sryia was supported on his watch, CIA, Weapons, Money, and has killed 60,000 trying to invade a country, that just wanted to be left alone.

He killed these people for the Jewish Vote. And Money. He made Bibi's girlfriend the Secretary of State.

My way or the highway, OK, Barry, enjoy your four year walk down that road, because no one is going to talk to you, fund your thug ways, or vote for anything you want.

He gets the part where he is President, but misses the, Of The United States. He will be gone, The United States will continue, and we need to protect our international reputation.

Congress did right about taxes, extending unemployment, but is not going to fund any more shovel ready projects that shovel money directly to Goldman Sachs.

AIG covered their Short of America, were bankrupt, but Obama stepped in and paid off their gambling debt 100%. GM was bankrupt, Obama stepped in and shafted the Bond Holders, and did a Presidential restructuring, giving it to the UAW.

We have Laws, and this is not Chicago Gangsters,

He speaks well, is educated, dresses well, but in his brain he is a Thug.

So you think you run America? Go ahead, we will watch.

You are at the Debt Ceiling, the Cliff is coming, let the White House deal with it.

The Democrats can have all the money they want by cutting government spending, which they have to under the Cliff, and can abolish The Department of Education, and other agencies that do nothing. Grain and oil are tripled in price, yet they get paid by the Government?

Cut Barry cut, see Barry cut, cut Barry cut!


Do you seriously think Romney would be better?

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18 Jan 2013, 11:21 pm

No, I supported Obama.

Now that everything has been stolen I want to start a war between the Republicans and Democrats.

Together they made war on the People, and by the old saying, "You have made your bed, now go lie in it."

They now stand at that Historic Place where Bernie Madoff stood recently, when all of his creditability vanished, and he could not deny being a fraud.

The Bonds will be paid, that includes Social Security, so the cuts will fall on government. We have them eating their own!

Agra Business, Defense Contractors, Big Oil, will have to eat dog food.

Wall Street and the Banks still have all the Toxic Assets they created.

Mark to Market and they will huddle together in the vaults and burn evidence to stay warm.

Those who ran up the Wealth Bubble, will no longer be able to buy protection.

The Chickens have come home to roost!