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14 Feb 2013, 1:48 am

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bloo ... itics.html

What's next on the banlist? Having fun? Sneezing? Thinking about unhealthy food?


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14 Feb 2013, 2:29 am

That whole state has gone ban crazy. :roll:



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14 Feb 2013, 4:56 am

Sounds like bloody common sense, less waste and better for the environment. Seems like his other bans are also common sense and healthier - smoking at restaurants, bars and parks, put limits on the sales of sugary sodas and required fast food eateries to post the fat and calorie totals of the meals they serve. - all positive, healthy ideals that really should be globally implemented.

Cannot see the negative to this idea.



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14 Feb 2013, 9:39 am

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Sounds like bloody common sense, less waste and better for the environment. Seems like his other bans are also common sense and healthier - smoking at restaurants, bars and parks, put limits on the sales of sugary sodas and required fast food eateries to post the fat and calorie totals of the meals they serve. - all positive, healthy ideals that really should be globally implemented.

Cannot see the negative to this idea.


You don't get it, the environment and health are irrelevant, he is violating freedom of choice.

America is not a nanny state.


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14 Feb 2013, 10:25 am

Oh? What about cocaine? The American nanny state has banned cocaine and that will never do.



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14 Feb 2013, 10:44 am

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Oh? What about cocaine? The American nanny state has banned cocaine and that will never do.


Your sarcasm is acknowledged.

Drug war mate, drug war.


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14 Feb 2013, 10:52 am

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You don't get it, the environment and health are irrelevant, he is violating freedom of choice.


Where is my freedom of choice not to inhale smoke when eating food, or in a pub with friends or at any time other than when in another person's property?

Where does the freedom of choice effect posting important information and increasing the pricing of sodas?

If there was a need for foam packaging fair enough, but if there exists a product that does the job already then why waste natural resources on an alternative we don't need?

Sounds like common sense being put into law for once!



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14 Feb 2013, 2:27 pm

That plastic foam stuff is found today in almost all things packaged in bulk (to protect the goods).
What did we do before the advent of foam or plastic???
We coped without it - basically it is one of those things that society has come to expect and does not actually need.
The effects on the environment are disasterous to say the least the stuff breaks down to smaller and smaller pieces which easily end up down the drain or blowing in the wind into nature. It does not biodegrage well not for many hundreds of years.
Animals eat it and die, sea animals ingest it and it blocks their insides and they have difficulty mantaining their buoyancy due to the fact that it floats. It can be found strewn along most beaches in the world if you get down and look hard enough.
While you are down there looking at the microcosmic level of what us humans have done to the environment along the high tide line of the shore on pretty much any beach in the world you will also find tiny plastic pellets (which are plastic in pre-fabricated form before we make it into stuff). We are destroying the environment with this crap. Look at the great pacific garbage patch as evidence of this - oh by the way there are now 5 of them not just 1 (we found 4 more). Much of the stuff in there around 1/4-1/3 is plastic foam. Seabirds on midway atol such as albatros chicks are being fed the rubbish by their parents.
Google Albatros chicks Midway atol - and tell me you are not disgusted by the images.
This is what we have done people - I think its time to stop now before we kill ourselves.
Freedom of choice to be extinct does not exactly sound like a well thought out choice to me.


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14 Feb 2013, 3:02 pm

PM wrote:

You don't get it, the environment and health are irrelevant, he is violating freedom of choice.

America is not a nanny state.


If the side effect of something one does is dangerous to life and or health then it should be regulated. One of the proper functions of government is the protection of the public health.

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14 Feb 2013, 6:00 pm

J-Greens wrote:
PM wrote:
You don't get it, the environment and health are irrelevant, he is violating freedom of choice.


Where is my freedom of choice not to inhale smoke when eating food, or in a pub with friends or at any time other than when in another person's property?

Where does the freedom of choice effect posting important information and increasing the pricing of sodas?

If there was a need for foam packaging fair enough, but if there exists a product that does the job already then why waste natural resources on an alternative we don't need?

Sounds like common sense being put into law for once!


It sounds like a draconian nanny state, which it is.

To be blunt...It is my right to own, ingest, or do anything I want unless i am putting someone else in IMMEDIATE danger.

Smoking, don't like someone smoking next to you, you are free to move.

Increasing the price of sodas to protect your safety, utterly ludicrous.


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14 Feb 2013, 10:08 pm

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Where is my freedom of choice not to inhale smoke when eating food, or in a pub with friends or at any time other than when in another person's property?

Eat and drink someplace else like at home.

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Where does the freedom of choice effect posting important information and increasing the pricing of sodas?

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that sodapop isn't exactly the healthiest thing. It doesn't need to be labeled.
I 'spose the Increase in price is some kinda health tax. :roll:
Drink it at your own risk or don't.

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If there was a need for foam packaging fair enough, but if there exists a product that does the job already then why waste natural resources on an alternative we don't need?

What about foam packaging?

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Sounds like common sense being put into law for once!

Common sense being common sense there shouldn't need to be laws for it.


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15 Feb 2013, 1:01 am

PM wrote:
It sounds like a draconian nanny state, which it is.

It does not sound like North Korea. What an over-reaction. :roll:

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To be blunt...It is my right to own, ingest, or do anything I want unless i am putting someone else in IMMEDIATE danger.

And these laws do not infringe upon that. :?

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Smoking, don't like someone smoking next to you, you are free to move.

And they are free to leave as well, why should the onus be on the person that's not polluting the air and not poisoning others?

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Increasing the price of sodas to protect your safety, utterly ludicrous.

If you read the article it states, quite clearly, that there is no rise on the price of sodas, but only restrictions on the sales of sugary sodas - those that contain over 1/4 of your daily sugar amount in just one 330 ml can. Multiple cans are dangerously unhealthy unless you want Diabetes and Heart problems, which considering how many Americans suffer from either (Or both) of these long-term potentially lethal conditions needs addressing.



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15 Feb 2013, 4:14 am

If the people of NYC are okay with it, who are we to argue? From all I've read and the NYCer's I've spoken to, the majority agree with this ban and want more things like banning plastic grocery bags. Keep in mind, NYC is a liberal leaning city.



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15 Feb 2013, 5:49 am

From an environmental and somewhat ethical standpoint, they shouldn't ban things that have a greater potential to kill humans. We really could do with a decrease in numbers (the species won't be threatened). I suppose abortion is helping with that, and war and disease in many places, but, that's still not enough.

Humans are the little monkeys that could and it doesn't look like anything will stop us.



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15 Feb 2013, 6:13 am

Can't argue with your logic Dill.
There are too many people on this earth hell bent on mass suicide and taking as many other species with us as possible.


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15 Feb 2013, 8:41 am

I totally disagree Dillogic - we don't need a cull, we need equality. There is enough food being produced to feed everyone equally and yet, millions go hungry and millions overeat, it's madness.