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19 May 2016, 2:24 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-criminalization/


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20 May 2016, 3:29 am

So much for them making public nudity legal and making fornication mandatory.


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20 May 2016, 5:50 am

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...and making fornication mandatory.


Sorry, they did what?! 8O


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20 May 2016, 5:52 am

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...and making fornication mandatory.


Sorry, they did what?! 8O


They didn't, I was referring to the fact that Oklahoma is practically a theocracy.


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20 May 2016, 5:58 am

^
:lol: Thanks, my sarcasm detector seems out of order today!


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20 May 2016, 8:49 am

Democracy in action, this reflects the views of the people of Oklahoma. Abortion on demand is not a right.



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20 May 2016, 10:02 am

No, but making preforming an abortion a criminal act is most likely for now unconstitutional. They are expecting by the time it gets to the Supreme court the Trump picked justices will overturn Roe v Wade.


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20 May 2016, 10:13 am

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No, but making preforming an abortion a criminal act is most likely for now unconstitutional. They are expecting by the time it gets to the Supreme court the Trump picked justices will overturn Roe v Wade.


The right to abortion in Roe V. Wade was totally made up and is a perfect textbook example of legislating from the bench. It violates the 'right to privacy' but doesn't extend to NSA mass surveillance, the 30 million Americans they keep files on, or something as basic as a plant that combusts. The 'right to privacy' as our government defines it only applies to killing babies and government secrets. Makes a lot of sense right? Abortion on demand should be illegal and I believe that the vast majority of American agree that there needs to be many more restrictions.



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20 May 2016, 10:40 am

This is fascinating. Now if we can only get all states to secede and be able to make their own laws, I'll be in heaven.


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20 May 2016, 10:59 am

Jacoby wrote:
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No, but making preforming an abortion a criminal act is most likely for now unconstitutional. They are expecting by the time it gets to the Supreme court the Trump picked justices will overturn Roe v Wade.


The right to abortion in Roe V. Wade was totally made up and is a perfect textbook example of legislating from the bench. It violates the 'right to privacy' but doesn't extend to NSA mass surveillance, the 30 million Americans they keep files on, or something as basic as a plant that combusts. The 'right to privacy' as our government defines it only applies to killing babies and government secrets. Makes a lot of sense right? Abortion on demand should be illegal and I believe that the vast majority of American agree that there needs to be many more restrictions.


What is abortion 'on demand' I don't think that is even a thing but rather stigma filled wording to imply women are just refusing to use birth control because they can just go get an abortion as easy as snapping their fingers which does not reflect the realty whatsoever. Also, I don't get the impression the vast majority of Americans have an issue with abortion, perhaps late term abortion but that is already only allowed in medical emergencies if there are places its not only allowed in a medical emergency than I'd say that needs to change.

Abortions are meant to occur before there is a 'baby'....you do realize first there is sperm and an egg, that merges to create a clump of cells, and then it becomes an embryo which than becomes a fetus, all this occurs before it turns into a baby. Technically even the morning after pill is a type of 'abortion' and that I believe is taken before the sperm and egg turns into the clump of cells even, but via this law they could even ban that.


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20 May 2016, 11:20 am

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No, but making preforming an abortion a criminal act is most likely for now unconstitutional. They are expecting by the time it gets to the Supreme court the Trump picked justices will overturn Roe v Wade.


The right to abortion in Roe V. Wade was totally made up and is a perfect textbook example of legislating from the bench. It violates the 'right to privacy' but doesn't extend to NSA mass surveillance, the 30 million Americans they keep files on, or something as basic as a plant that combusts. The 'right to privacy' as our government defines it only applies to killing babies and government secrets. Makes a lot of sense right? Abortion on demand should be illegal and I believe that the vast majority of American agree that there needs to be many more restrictions.


What is abortion 'on demand' I don't think that is even a thing but rather stigma filled wording to imply women are just refusing to use birth control because they can just go get an abortion as easy as snapping their fingers which does not reflect the realty whatsoever. Also, I don't get the impression the vast majority of Americans have an issue with abortion, perhaps late term abortion but that is already only allowed in medical emergencies if there are places its not only allowed in a medical emergency than I'd say that needs to change.

Abortions are meant to occur before there is a 'baby'....you do realize first there is sperm and an egg, that merges to create a clump of cells, and then it becomes an embryo which than becomes a fetus, all this occurs before it turns into a baby. Technically even the morning after pill is a type of 'abortion' and that I believe is taken before the sperm and egg turns into the clump of cells even, but via this law they could even ban that.


Late term abortions are still legal and preformed in certain parts of the country, they still do partial-birth abortions even tho it is illegal as we can see in those Planned Parenthood videos. There is essentially no regulation of the abortion industry in this country, anybody that even tries to get these so called 'clinics' to raise their standards is accused of being 'anti-choice women haters'. Monsters like Kermit Gosnell are allowed to exist because of the blood lust these pro-abortion activists have, this is modern day eugenics absolutely and that's why Margret Sanger supported eugenics because it is consistent with the worldview that tolerates abortion. It's sickening. What I mean by 'abortion on demand' is abortion for reasons other than health or rape. The vast majority of Americans do want more restrictions on abortion and I support any 'pragmatic' or incremental approach to doing this. A lot of people straight up want the government to pay for all abortions, pay for all birth control, everything so it goes far beyond 'choice'.

Your second paragraph there is being kind of silly, it's not going to ban to 'morning after pill' or whatever emergency contraceptives. I understand fetal development.



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20 May 2016, 11:43 am

Jacoby wrote:
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No, but making preforming an abortion a criminal act is most likely for now unconstitutional. They are expecting by the time it gets to the Supreme court the Trump picked justices will overturn Roe v Wade.


The right to abortion in Roe V. Wade was totally made up and is a perfect textbook example of legislating from the bench. It violates the 'right to privacy' but doesn't extend to NSA mass surveillance, the 30 million Americans they keep files on, or something as basic as a plant that combusts. The 'right to privacy' as our government defines it only applies to killing babies and government secrets. Makes a lot of sense right? Abortion on demand should be illegal and I believe that the vast majority of American agree that there needs to be many more restrictions.


What is abortion 'on demand' I don't think that is even a thing but rather stigma filled wording to imply women are just refusing to use birth control because they can just go get an abortion as easy as snapping their fingers which does not reflect the realty whatsoever. Also, I don't get the impression the vast majority of Americans have an issue with abortion, perhaps late term abortion but that is already only allowed in medical emergencies if there are places its not only allowed in a medical emergency than I'd say that needs to change.

Abortions are meant to occur before there is a 'baby'....you do realize first there is sperm and an egg, that merges to create a clump of cells, and then it becomes an embryo which than becomes a fetus, all this occurs before it turns into a baby. Technically even the morning after pill is a type of 'abortion' and that I believe is taken before the sperm and egg turns into the clump of cells even, but via this law they could even ban that.


Late term abortions are still legal and preformed in certain parts of the country, they still do partial-birth abortions even tho it is illegal as we can see in those Planned Parenthood videos. There is essentially no regulation of the abortion industry in this country, anybody that even tries to get these so called 'clinics' to raise their standards is accused of being 'anti-choice women haters'. Monsters like Kermit Gosnell are allowed to exist because of the blood lust these pro-abortion activists have, this is modern day eugenics absolutely and that's why Margret Sanger supported eugenics because it is consistent with the worldview that tolerates abortion. It's sickening. What I mean by 'abortion on demand' is abortion for reasons other than health or rape. The vast majority of Americans do want more restrictions on abortion and I support any 'pragmatic' or incremental approach to doing this. A lot of people straight up want the government to pay for all abortions, pay for all birth control, everything so it goes far beyond 'choice'.

Your second paragraph there is being kind of silly, it's not going to ban to 'morning after pill' or whatever emergency contraceptives. I understand fetal development.


Late term/partial birth abortions outside of medical emergencies aren't legal in most of the U.S....as I said if its legal outside medical emergencies in any parts of the country then it shouldn't be. But I did actually make a point to look up the laws and there is a limit of how long you can wait before having an abortion throughout most of the country.

I have not heard many people claim the government should pay for all birth control and abortions...if people do think that I can't say I entirely agree.

So basically you think if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a kid they can't take care of....it's wrong of her to get an abortion regardless of how early she gets it? You do realize the alternative is forcing one to undergo pregnancy and childbirth against their will.....what are they going to do put pregnant woman who want an abortion in holding cells to make sure they don't try and seek out an improper/illegal abortion or do unhealthy practices in an attempt to cause them-self to miscarriage? I can see having a problem with late term abortions outside medical emergency ...but making abortion in general illegal across the board I think will cause many more problems than it would solve.

Also my second paragraph is not being silly...there are groups who want to go as far as banning things like the morning after pill due to it being a type of abortion.


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20 May 2016, 12:32 pm

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Late term/partial birth abortions outside of medical emergencies aren't legal in most of the U.S....as I said if its legal outside medical emergencies in any parts of the country then it shouldn't be. But I did actually make a point to look up the laws and there is a limit of how long you can wait before having an abortion throughout most of the country.

I have not heard many people claim the government should pay for all birth control and abortions...if people do think that I can't say I entirely agree.

So basically you think if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a kid they can't take care of....it's wrong of her to get an abortion regardless of how early she gets it? You do realize the alternative is forcing one to undergo pregnancy and childbirth against their will.....what are they going to do put pregnant woman who want an abortion in holding cells to make sure they don't try and seek out an improper/illegal abortion or do unhealthy practices in an attempt to cause them-self to miscarriage? I can see having a problem with late term abortions outside medical emergency ...but making abortion in general illegal across the board I think will cause many more problems than it would solve.

Also my second paragraph is not being silly...there are groups who want to go as far as banning things like the morning after pill due to it being a type of abortion.


What I believe is that it is pretty easy to not get pregnant when the proper precautions are taken and that ending a human life is wrong, I believe in personal responsibility for one's own actions and like how a man is held legally responsible for the welfare his children so should a mother with her unborn child. I do not believe we have to punish the mothers so much but rather the doctors who do the actual killing. I believe the vast majority of women who have gotten abortions would not of gotten them had it not been legal to do so, I do not believe the vast majority of doctors would of preform abortions if the medical licenses were put at stake and maybe even liability so we're really only worried about a very small amount of people that want to kill their child above all else. The tales of women that died from 'back-alley' abortions was wildly overstated and fell like a rock once things like antibiotics and birth control were invented, it's minuscule when compared to the number of babies murdered every year because of Roe V. Wade which is over 50 million since 1972.

Something else I really am uncomfortable is the prenatal screening of certain defects because I don't think it is right to make a quality of life assessment for someone especially someone that is even born and we should all know the second they can screen for autism that it will begin a mass-genocide of abortion for those on spectrum. Euthanasia is eugenics, look at what they are doing in Belgium where they are no killing the mentally ill. This should not be given any medical legitimacy, it violate the oath I believe that they all swear upon.



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20 May 2016, 2:15 pm

Even though I'll admit to supporting pro-choice views, I sometimes wonder why some women choose to become pregnant when it comes to abortion.


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20 May 2016, 2:23 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-criminalization/


This new law may not be a done deal just yet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/19/oklahoma-legislature-passes-bill-making-it-a-felony-to-perform-abortions/


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20 May 2016, 2:35 pm

I know this is off the abortion topic, but
it suggests the character of the OK state
legislature. These guys can't be "conservative"
enough:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oklahoma-lgbt-idUSKCN0YB1Z0

Stick around, these guys might do something brilliant!