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09 Nov 2023, 12:16 pm

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You're right though, there's a strong potential that the areas that Israelis ethnically cleansed from the Palestinians would face a similar displacement by the rightful owners returning. They would have to move to territory that Israel has much better claims to, but that's justice. Anything else is a perpetuation of an injustice.

Israel still might face dirty bombs and nukes from Iran.

How are Iran's (potential) actions Palestine's fault? :scratch:

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09 Nov 2023, 1:19 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

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Israel still might face dirty bombs and nukes from Iran.

How are Iran's (potential) actions Palestine's fault? :scratch:

It's not but Iran is funding Hamas.

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09 Nov 2023, 2:18 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

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Israel still might face dirty bombs and nukes from Iran.

How are Iran's (potential) actions Palestine's fault? :scratch:

It's not but Iran is funding Hamas.

Hamas isn't relevant to CD's statement about Iran potentially using a dirty bomb or nuke.

If Iran uses those sorts of weapons, it's Iran's fault, not the fault of any other entity.

Israel doesn't prevent Iran from using those sort of weapons by occupying Palestinian lands.
Israel ceasing to occupy Palestinian lands doesn't make Iran more likely to use those sorts of weapons.

Israel working in good faith with Fatah instead of propping up Hamas and working to ensure Palestine would fail to form a state would have prevented the current conflict. The current situation is entirely the result of policies that Likud and their terrorist forebears chose to pursue.

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09 Nov 2023, 3:35 pm

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[The current situation is entirely the result of policies that Likud and their terrorist forebears chose to pursue.

The current situation for Israel may have been influenced by Likud's propping up HAMAS over Fatah. But I recall the US propped up the Mujahadeen and Bin Laden against the Russians, leading to the Taliban. When the Taliban kill/execute women for going to school nobody on this forum jump up and say "that's the US fault for creating the Taliban, They condemn the Taliban (and rightly so).

This thread is actually about HAMAS's terrorist attack on Israel, It was unprovoked. It's intention was crystal clear, to disrupt peace talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia. It is not simply (as you keep claiming) a build up of anger over Israel's past actions.
I think you know this but choose to join the rest here trying to attribute blame squarely on Israel.

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09 Nov 2023, 3:43 pm

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I think you know this but choose to join the rest here trying to attribute blame squarely on Israel.

No one here is doing that.

The situation is complex and did not occur in a vacuum.

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09 Nov 2023, 4:02 pm

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I think you know this but choose to join the rest here trying to attribute blame squarely on Israel.

That is just not true. While she does not agree with us that the choice Israel made they had to make because it was the lesser evil, she thinks both Israel and Hamas are making wrong choices.

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09 Nov 2023, 4:13 pm

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That is so soullessly evil.

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09 Nov 2023, 8:06 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

I think you know this but choose to join the rest here trying to attribute blame squarely on Israel.

That is just not true. While she does not agree with us that the choice Israel made they had to make because it was the lesser evil, she thinks both Israel and Hamas are making wrong choices.

Ah why am I so invested in this conflict. Let's hope they resolve this quickly (but somehow I doubt it).

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09 Nov 2023, 8:14 pm

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Al jezeera scouring social media to find a few bad apples in Israeli society. Why am I not surprised. Where is Al Jezeera based?

It's funny, you don't hear a peep about genocide of muslim Rohingya in Burma in their press (or any Arabic language press) . I wonder why... :roll:

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09 Nov 2023, 8:39 pm

^ It's not like it's hard to find. When there's a conflict, people tend to dehumanize the other. Israelis are no exception.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vide ... rcna123214

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... fe96070000

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09 Nov 2023, 8:54 pm

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Read the article - the IDF punished the perpetrators in some of the cases, saying such conduct is in violation of army values
In stark contrast young Palestinian men were filmed jumping for joy seeing the dead German girl's raped body and HAMAS leadership called it a great day.

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09 Nov 2023, 8:58 pm

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It's funny, you don't hear a peep about genocide of muslim Rohingya in Burma in their press (or any Arabic language press) . I wonder why... :roll:

Because you didn't look :roll:

https://www.aljazeera.com/search/Rohingya

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09 Nov 2023, 9:01 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

It's funny, you don't hear a peep about genocide of muslim Rohingya in Burma in their press (or any Arabic language press) . I wonder why... :roll:

Because you didn't look :roll:

https://www.aljazeera.com/search/Rohingya

That's a search engine - comes up blank for me

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09 Nov 2023, 9:13 pm

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WTF. The point is that BOTH sides are engaging in dehumanizing behavior.

I didn't claim that the IDF approved of the soldiers' behavior. My post was related to FXE's which you claimed wasn't that common.

However, in order to kill and maim innocent people, dehumanizing the other would be necessary on some level.

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09 Nov 2023, 9:22 pm

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The point is that BOTH sides are engaging in dehumanizing behavior.

There it is.

Remind me, which sides goes out of their way to rape, torture, and murder civilians as their actual objective?

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