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What is your reaction to the death of Osama bin Laden?
I am glad someone shot him. 22%  22%  [ 36 ]
I wish he had died of natural causes (i.e. cancer or another disease) 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Good riddance. Lets party now and celebrate his death! 18%  18%  [ 29 ]
Indifferent. 25%  25%  [ 40 ]
Sad that a human being was killed. 12%  12%  [ 19 ]
Other. Please explain. 22%  22%  [ 36 ]
Total votes : 162

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04 May 2011, 12:00 am

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Well I do think that is death was d@mned oppertunistic expecally when he lived in a freakin manson next to a major miliary establishment next to the capital of pakistan. US leaders are trying to make this llok like a pakistani issue that he hid in plain sight, but what is not told is with satilite survielance of every inch of this globe at the disposal of US inteligence, why now??

The US HAD to have known where he was for quite some time. I have known this for a long time...a man on dyalisis cant hide in the mountains for years at a time or he would be dead long time ago. However what has me wondering and cant figure out is what is going on behind the scenes that killing OBL will take all the media attention for months. There as been alot of praising secret prisions and homeland security's other means of survielance, torture programs etc etc which has me spooked because it seems the underlined message is...Ya we have taken away american citizen's civil liberties and right to privacy in the name of the war on terror but see it works...we got our man." Such justification of the rapidly evaporating human rights in this country is likely, very likely, to lead to more severe destruction of our human rights.

Any time the media hornswaggles the masses like this...I look not what they are dirrectly saying, but what their hands are doing behind our backs.

I am glad he finally got what he done to others, but I am concerned as to the motive for killing him when I sure they knew where he was all along.



Can't say much other than this post speaks a lot of what has been on my mind. I don't articulate as well but your post pretty much sums it up.


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04 May 2011, 12:06 am

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jojobean wrote:
Well I do think that is death was d@mned oppertunistic expecally when he lived in a freakin manson next to a major miliary establishment next to the capital of pakistan. US leaders are trying to make this llok like a pakistani issue that he hid in plain sight, but what is not told is with satilite survielance of every inch of this globe at the disposal of US inteligence, why now??

The US HAD to have known where he was for quite some time. I have known this for a long time...a man on dyalisis cant hide in the mountains for years at a time or he would be dead long time ago. However what has me wondering and cant figure out is what is going on behind the scenes that killing OBL will take all the media attention for months. There as been alot of praising secret prisions and homeland security's other means of survielance, torture programs etc etc which has me spooked because it seems the underlined message is...Ya we have taken away american citizen's civil liberties and right to privacy in the name of the war on terror but see it works...we got our man." Such justification of the rapidly evaporating human rights in this country is likely, very likely, to lead to more severe destruction of our human rights.

Any time the media hornswaggles the masses like this...I look not what they are dirrectly saying, but what their hands are doing behind our backs.

I am glad he finally got what he done to others, but I am concerned as to the motive for killing him when I sure they knew where he was all along.



Can't say much other than this post speaks a lot of what has been on my mind. I don't articulate as well but your post pretty much sums it up.


Spy satellites can't see though walls, though. As for him being on dialysis; I know that kidneys are relatively easy to get on the black market, especially in the third world. Bin Laden's co-leader of Al Qaeda, Zarawhiri, is in fact a medical doctor, and I suspect competent enough to perform a transplant. I don't know if this is absolutely true, but it's my theory.

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04 May 2011, 12:51 am

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jojobean wrote:
Well I do think that is death was d@mned oppertunistic expecally when he lived in a freakin manson next to a major miliary establishment next to the capital of pakistan. US leaders are trying to make this llok like a pakistani issue that he hid in plain sight, but what is not told is with satilite survielance of every inch of this globe at the disposal of US inteligence, why now??

The US HAD to have known where he was for quite some time. I have known this for a long time...a man on dyalisis cant hide in the mountains for years at a time or he would be dead long time ago. However what has me wondering and cant figure out is what is going on behind the scenes that killing OBL will take all the media attention for months. There as been alot of praising secret prisions and homeland security's other means of survielance, torture programs etc etc which has me spooked because it seems the underlined message is...Ya we have taken away american citizen's civil liberties and right to privacy in the name of the war on terror but see it works...we got our man." Such justification of the rapidly evaporating human rights in this country is likely, very likely, to lead to more severe destruction of our human rights.

Any time the media hornswaggles the masses like this...I look not what they are dirrectly saying, but what their hands are doing behind our backs.

I am glad he finally got what he done to others, but I am concerned as to the motive for killing him when I sure they knew where he was all along.



Can't say much other than this post speaks a lot of what has been on my mind. I don't articulate as well but your post pretty much sums it up.


I think anyone with a working brain is getting a sinking feeling in their gut that something is not right about all this


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04 May 2011, 2:10 am

Then I must not have a working brain. What's the point of some sort of conspiracy? To cover up that Bin Laden isn't really dead? And if that's the case, then why? To divert attention from Obama's birth certificate? I'm sorry, but in order for me to give credence to a conspiracy theory, there has to be some sort of plausibility to it - and there just isn't any here.

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04 May 2011, 2:16 am

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MissConstrue wrote:
jojobean wrote:
Well I do think that is death was d@mned oppertunistic expecally when he lived in a freakin manson next to a major miliary establishment next to the capital of pakistan. US leaders are trying to make this llok like a pakistani issue that he hid in plain sight, but what is not told is with satilite survielance of every inch of this globe at the disposal of US inteligence, why now??

The US HAD to have known where he was for quite some time. I have known this for a long time...a man on dyalisis cant hide in the mountains for years at a time or he would be dead long time ago. However what has me wondering and cant figure out is what is going on behind the scenes that killing OBL will take all the media attention for months. There as been alot of praising secret prisions and homeland security's other means of survielance, torture programs etc etc which has me spooked because it seems the underlined message is...Ya we have taken away american citizen's civil liberties and right to privacy in the name of the war on terror but see it works...we got our man." Such justification of the rapidly evaporating human rights in this country is likely, very likely, to lead to more severe destruction of our human rights.

Any time the media hornswaggles the masses like this...I look not what they are dirrectly saying, but what their hands are doing behind our backs.

I am glad he finally got what he done to others, but I am concerned as to the motive for killing him when I sure they knew where he was all along.



Can't say much other than this post speaks a lot of what has been on my mind. I don't articulate as well but your post pretty much sums it up.


Spy satellites can't see though walls, though. As for him being on dialysis; I know that kidneys are relatively easy to get on the black market, especially in the third world. Bin Laden's co-leader of Al Qaeda, Zarawhiri, is in fact a medical doctor, and I suspect competent enough to perform a transplant. I don't know if this is absolutely true, but it's my theory.

but that still does not explain how they could have missed him when he was a few hundred yards from a milliary establishment.. in a fortified mansion. The US intelegence had to have seen it cause they keep close eye on military establishments expecally in the middle east. With all the second world conditions there a fortified mansion in easy site of that military complex had to be suspicous many years ago. There is no way the US intelegence could not have known where he was this long. And the US has remote control cameras that look like flies that can get in and out of places unnoticed...walls are not that big of a deal and with a total lack of privacy now days...if they saw that building right next to the complex which they contiously monitor....which I sure they could not miss. They had the technology to check it out without being noticed...then why now after ten years???

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04 May 2011, 2:18 am

sorry I put my answer to your question within your post...I am still learning this quote thing


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04 May 2011, 2:34 am

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sorry I put my answer to your question within your post...I am still learning this quote thing


It should be remembered, the government of Pakistan forbade the U.S. from operating in their country, which would put a real damper on intelligence gathering. Rather, we depended on their intelligence service, the ISI, which has had a bad rep for sympathizing with our terrorist enemies; and it was they who sold us a bill of goods that they couldn't find him. And it should be remembered, we as a nation had been sold on the notion that Al Qaeda were ideological purists living in caves - and thus, that's where we were looking for them. As it turns out, every one of these hypocritical rat bastards were living in urban and suburban settings in the lap of luxury. We - or at least our intelligence agencies - were too dumb to look in the right place, until recently.

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04 May 2011, 2:39 am

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A person was shot in the head

Why do I keep hearing this? Military personnel are trained to aim for the center of mass, which is the chest and torso. It's a lot easier to hit, and has virtually the same stopping power as a headshot, if taken appropriately. Did whoever took the shot miss and aim high, going for the harder target, or what? Even (read: especially) snipers are trained to go for the center of mass. A close-quarters gun battle shouldn't be too much of a problem to make a CoM shot like that; and yet...


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04 May 2011, 3:05 am

Just because officers were not allowed to operate there does not stop spy technology...very little can stop today's spy technology exept very highly sensitive counter survielance scanning for bugs 24/7....but you have a point that would have made it harder...but not impossible...not for ten years in the most obvious of locations. I just cant buy that US intelegence were that clueless. US intelegence officals are trained to not take anything as face value what people say and the fact that they would not let the US operate there would have been a major tip off for locating our national enemies by other means in their country. There is no way they could been that clueless. I know how intelegence ppl are...my stepdad had special forces training and had a high security clearance which was required for his job. Intelgence people are very observant and listen to very little what people say and everything they do...that his how they are trained. There is no way the US inteligence community could have been that guilable.


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Just because officers were not allowed to operate there does not stop spy technology...very little can stop today's spy technology exept very highly sensitive counter survielance scanning for bugs 24/7....but you have a point that would have made it harder...but not impossible...not for ten years in the most obvious of locations. I just cant buy that US intelegence were that clueless. US intelegence officals are trained to not take anything as face value what people say and the fact that they would not let the US operate there would have been a major tip off for locating our national enemies by other means in their country. There is no way they could been that clueless. I know how intelegence ppl are...my stepdad had special forces training and had a high security clearance which was required for his job. Intelgence people are very observant and listen to very little what people say and everything they do...that his how they are trained. There is no way the US inteligence community could have been that guilable.


As for clueless and gullible...
George W. Bush in fact had quietly disbanded the squad searching for Bin Laden following fruitless searches in Afghan caves. Barack Obama, living up to his campaign promise, reassembled a team searching for our current number one enemy, and weren't afraid to look in places other than caves.
But yeah, clueless and gullible fits our former president pretty well, i should think.

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04 May 2011, 3:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
jojobean wrote:
Just because officers were not allowed to operate there does not stop spy technology...very little can stop today's spy technology exept very highly sensitive counter survielance scanning for bugs 24/7....but you have a point that would have made it harder...but not impossible...not for ten years in the most obvious of locations. I just cant buy that US intelegence were that clueless. US intelegence officals are trained to not take anything as face value what people say and the fact that they would not let the US operate there would have been a major tip off for locating our national enemies by other means in their country. There is no way they could been that clueless. I know how intelegence ppl are...my stepdad had special forces training and had a high security clearance which was required for his job. Intelgence people are very observant and listen to very little what people say and everything they do...that his how they are trained. There is no way the US inteligence community could have been that guilable.


As for clueless and gullible...
George W. Bush in fact had quietly disbanded the squad searching for Bin Laden following fruitless searches in Afghan caves. Barack Obama, living up to his campaign promise, reassembled a team searching for our current number one enemy, and weren't afraid to look in places other than caves.
But yeah, clueless and gullible fits our former president pretty well, i should think.

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According to the reports I have read, the intelligence analysis which finally identify Osama's trusted courier has being ongoing since at least 2005. The intelligence analysis which was really a detective operation put together pieces of data extract from people at Gitmo and other source. Bush and company gave up the search in -Afghanistan- about 5 or 6 years ago, but the search for a courier to lead to Osama's actually whereabouts never stopped. Osama was not in Afghanistan so the Bush administration stopped searching for the needle (Osama) in that haystack. Some of the intelligence had been extracted from detainees by vigorous interrogation (i.e. water boarding). In short, torture works --- sometimes.

Bush and company never gave up looking for Osama. The gave up looking for him in Afghanistan.

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04 May 2011, 6:45 am

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A person was shot in the head

Why do I keep hearing this? Military personnel are trained to aim for the center of mass, which is the chest and torso. It's a lot easier to hit, and has virtually the same stopping power as a headshot, if taken appropriately. Did whoever took the shot miss and aim high, going for the harder target, or what? Even (read: especially) snipers are trained to go for the center of mass. A close-quarters gun battle shouldn't be too much of a problem to make a CoM shot like that; and yet...


It was a dumb SEAL that shot him with a pop gun.

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04 May 2011, 7:37 am

Its sickening when people are cheering because someone died no matter who that person was.



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04 May 2011, 7:49 am

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Its sickening when people are cheering because someone died no matter who that person was.


Really? evil people who get their just desserts are celebrated by me...hate to tell you that..I enjoy watching genocidal racist evil people like bin laden killed.



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04 May 2011, 8:21 am

One less terrorist leader and plenty of lieutenants ready to take his place. Religious propagandists preaching violence and terrorism are the types of people who inspire young crazy people to commit violent acts of terror through spread spreading propaganda. Bin Laden was just as bad as other psycho like Hitler, Stalin, et al.

Global terrorist war is the war within without boundaries. Terrorists flourish in impoverished developing nations. Terrorist ideology preached by Bin Laden Jihadists offers martyrdom, financial security for family and paradise for the willing suicide bomber terrorists



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04 May 2011, 8:34 am

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One less terrorist leader and plenty of lieutenants ready to take his place. Religious propagandists preaching violence and terrorism are the types of people who inspire young crazy people to commit violent acts of terror through spread spreading propaganda. Bin Laden was just as bad as other psycho like Hitler, Stalin, et al.

Global terrorist war is the war within without boundaries. Terrorists flourish in impoverished developing nations. Terrorist ideology preached by Bin Laden Jihadists offers martyrdom, financial security for family and paradise for the willing suicide bomber terrorists


Hopefully that will change as more countries are inspired to overthrow their dictator leaders and become more democratic. This could lead to economic prosperity and fewer candidates for being suicide bombers. Roger Cohen said something to that effect in his most recent column in the New York Times.

One country were this could make a huge difference would be Iran, since they are almost a theocracy governed by someone who is probably only in power due to massive vote fraud in their last election.


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