Kraichgauer wrote:
Inventor wrote:
In D Browns Human Universals, a sense of place, people, history, land, is listed. Just like any universal human trait, going against it causes a backlash.
The American Civil Rights Act pushed people apart. Advancing Human Rights caused all groups to look within. We now have a lot of people like this shooter that live within a Christian Conserative world.
At least in America we came by our minorities the old fashioned way, killing most of the Native Americans, taking land from Mexico, and importing slaves. There is a hostile but equal standoff, and do not be too white in the Barrio, Hood, or Rez. We live seperate lives.
Be it the Getto or Appalachians, or a gated community, it is everything they have, and they are hostile to outsiders. It is a Human Universal.
So I do not understand Norway. They are importing conflict.
We could move the Rosebud Souix to Iceland, there would be less cultural conflict.
It is also unequal, just try moving a Christian colony to Islamic lands and building churches.
Just to be helpful, we can move ten million Chinese to each of the twenty largest economies, so we can all learn to be multicultural. To be fair they would also get ten million from India.
Open up your hearts and love the whole world.
If I'm reading your post correctly, you seem to be suggesting that the shooter was right on some level. I'll remind you, this guy is nothing but a social misfit, who expressed the inadequacies and petty hatreds in violence directed at innocent people. He in no way represented the Norwegian people, who come across as a very open minded, liberal bunch.
And where did you get the idea that the civil rights movement only served to separate people? Like blacks had been accepted by whites prior to it.
And just because tribalism comes natural to humans doesn't make it right. The best example that the instinct for tribal mentalities can be overcome successfully is here in the United States. Sure, we as of yet hardly have a perfect record, but we have made strives to live up to our national motto.
E Pluribus Unum - Through Many, one.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I do not think he was at all right. Our American version was Timmy McViegh, who did bring people together. Hating the government is an American tradition, but not killing them.
It is a human universal that males will make war if they feel threatened. From small tribes to Nation States, it is a universal. Most wars have started from the act of a single person. John Brown started a war in America.
All he wanted to do was invade someone elses land, steal guns, arm the blacks, and kill all the whites. He got hung, but his vision lived on. Charles Manson called it Helter Skelter, he got life. Usama, had a plan.
Some get the rope, some like Custer killed trying, and some become national heros. Some manage to start major conflicts. We killed a hundred thousand in Iraq, because,,, we could? Whatever it was Congress agreed to it.
Many were killed when the boundries were drawn putting Hutu and Tusi in the same country. Some acts promote conflict.
I think the tribal and class lines in America are becoming stronger. The Army can overcome it because they all join the Green Tribe.
The national vote is falling more on social lines than on what the canidate says.
In the deep south, the Pope's troops always had their own schools, Civil Rights brought Christian Schools, and public schools, black and white became an underclass. High School got dumbed down to eighth grade level. The church schools are not great, but politics produced educational cripples in the public schools. Church schools have their own universities, and a high graduation rate. It is class warfare at all levels.
In New Orleans the Pope has more employees than the City and Parish, County to the rest of you, and most of the city and parish offices.
North of here it is the same with Christians filling all offices. The rest of us have been excluded. We are moving farther and farther apart.
This makes it easy to see others as not really human.
The Pope sees Mexicans as their own, the Christians as cheap labor and not black, the rest see them taking our jobs and anything left in the yard.
Perhaps you viewed ten million Chinese as humor, we have more illegal Mexicans.
Government is no longer our government. Local, it belongs to some church, national was a leveraged buyout from Goldman Sachs.
Government at all levels ignores the will of the people. That was our bond, what made us a people. Government has grown so large it votes it's self into office.
We do need the European many parties that get a voice in government. No one can out vote the State-Church Axis.
People who feel excluded act excluded, and if you do not see me as human, how shall I see you?
From outside the national bond, they all become enemies.
The recent behavior of Washington shows they do not care what we think. On optional wars they broke the bank, bailed out their owners, and are printing money and calling for cutting everything that goes to the people.
We have a minor employment problem that is what most people think about, our jobs were sold, and we have been invaded. Sending the Mexicans back to Mexico, we can have full employment.
Illegals are illegal, they send money out of the country. They work but do not pay Social Security. Most people see this as the problem. Washington does not. To them cutting Social Security is the answer.
I think they have stolen the future, and are running to get unelected. They are your ex who before they split maxes out your credit cards, cleans out your bank account, and takes loans in the name of your children.
This is going to be an ugly divorce.
I do not think shooting people is the answer, but social alienation is the problem.
"Why can't we all just get along?" Roddney King
26 Jul 2011, 2:34 am
Humans are afraid and suspicious of anyone who looked different because back in the Stone Age you couldn't tell if they were friendly or hostile so you stuck with your own "kind" because you were familiar with them. Even if you've learned to tolerate people who are different from you we all know deep down you are fighting your primitive genes with every single step. And that's why we'll never get along, and that's why we're all doomed. Um yeah well have a nice day anyway... 
