NOT GOOD, Connecticut shooter was diagnosed with Aspergers..

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There are a lot of women into guns. Unfortunately, it seems about half of those that took up shooting on their own don't care to talk much about how they got interested in it.

the laws can be either very strict, especially about concealed carry or very loose.
the recent election had people expecting a crackdown, so when mitt romney's poll
numbers dipped and barack obama looked like he'd have to live up to promices
made to many of his liberal backers, folks went to gun shows and bought firearms.
massachusetts is one of the stricter states. its easier to buy guns in the middle of our
nation. the amount of guns in his mother's house is not unusual. alot of our domestic
violence incidents can end with a tragic shooting. he had access to the firearms, this
is a given. the libertarian right is hunkering down and expecting stricter laws and regs.

Easy access to guns clearly plays a part in this too. To me as a Dane it is completely crazy that the Americans can stroll into a 'gun supermarket' and buy a gun just like that. Here, the access to firearms is strictly controlled. You have to be a member of a 'gun club' (I don't know what the correct word is) for two years before you can apply for a gun.
It is not that people don't go postal here, but the damage is so much smaller without the easy access to guns.
We had a shooting back in 1992 and none since. Here, such an action would require careful planning. You can't be spontaneous about it.

AS or not, had he not been able to pick a gun from the kitchen shelf (just beside the sugar), this would not have happened.

P.S. A collection of 6 firearms is considered normal? WTF!

I fully agree. If someone goes spontaneously crazy in France or my native UK, they typically only have access to kitchen knives and the resulting number of murders is substantially less before law enforcement brings it to an end. The average person in Europe simply doesn't have access to weapons that they can use on a mad rampage.

Looking forward to another 8 pages of people wringing their hands and saying all sorts of dumb-sounding stuff in order to try to disassociate the label of Asperger's/autism from this event.

Sure thing, guys...no correlation there whatsoever.

The fact that the guy was an Aspie had NOTHING to do with what happened.

I like the strawmanning here. I think most of us are saying that:

1. Just because he's an aspie doesn't make all aspies mass murderers
2. We don't really know the exact reasons why he did what he did
3. Pinning the blame for his actions on him being an aspie will negatively affect all aspies around

Instead of saying that him being an aspie had nothing to do with the event. Hell, him being a human has obvious correlations to him being a shooter, since animals don't generally fire guns. Him being alive at the time also has obvious correlations, since dead people don't generally kill living people. But that said, I don't think you can remove any factor from his life from being a possible cause/aggravating factor of the incident. This includes him being an aspie.

Of the offenders with Asperger's the article sites, how do those numbers stack up against NT's who have committed violent crimes?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

the handguns

9mm Glock
9mm Sig Sauer

(she was a homeowner, these guns are there to greet
thieves and burglers, perhaps in different rooms?)


the rifles

AR-15 type assault rifle
(this make and model begs a question
due to how far the bullets travel)



a Henry repeating rifle
an Enfield rifle

(older weapons, possibly for deer hunting away from suburbia)


a shotgun
(for duck hunting?)


four or five of the guns are not unusual. the enfield or the henry may be a collector's item)

Only an idiot would draw that conclusion. Furthermore, the fact that all Aspie's aren't mass murderers doesn't subvert the correlation we're dealing with. So where does this leave us?



Well, we don't know the exact reason "why" anything happens. So?



Er...maybe that's just tough crap for us?



Right, his being an Apsie is no more relevant here than his being a human. Do you understand how silly this sounds? You accuse me with straw-manning, but the things you then say about the situation are just as extreme and laughable as the straw men I've supposedly erected.

"Yeah, he had a serious neuropsychological disorder...but let's try to ignore that, eh?

yes. two or three weapons is the norm, roughly nine or ten may not be
unusual. two handguns, the shotgun and a new or old rifle is very typical.

Connecticut has very strict gun laws. so does Massachusetts. Vermont
and New Hampshire are looser and his parents had been living in N.H.
when they married. "John Browning" has brought up a point about the
"starter" collection. the Enfield and the Henry sound older and almost
collector if in good condition. the AR-15 type assault rifle is toooo new.

Do you know what this reminds me of? I read a story about a con man who bilked widows and orphans and I think to myself: "Please God, don't let him be Jewish".

ruveyn

Yep...speaks volumes.

I think making it this extreme and laughable was the entire point of that post. Reductio ad absurdum is showing an absurdity of an idea by applying it to lead to an absurd result. In this case, showing the absurdity of the assertion that Aspergers' has 'nothing' to do with the incident.

But I'll leave it at this post, I've committed Typical Mind Fallacy too often myself, and have no further interest past this should this 2nd reply be insufficient for you, to avoid committing it yet again. There's better uses of time.

Poke... admittedly i'm new here in a way and didn't post much after
the local headlines about john odgren in 2oo7. if half the "equation"
is ANY hazing adam lanza endured in his twenty years of life, then
one fifth of the total sum of things is his possible asperger's syndrome
diagnosis. he may have been an aspie. autism as a word is sometimes
next to the word spectrum. i expect he was on legal "meds" as a given.

That's how I felt with Michele Bachmann's self-loathing, closet case husband. With a name like Bachmann, I prayed, "Please God, don't let him be German, don't let him be German..."
Then when I found out he was Swiss, I said, "YES!"

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The only problem I can see with a media strike against aspies.... is the wider world going

'ooooooww those aspies are crazy!'

It is that they are ignorant of autism. If it was say a black person, or a very tall person or whatever who did the killing, afterwards no one will panic near a black man or near a tall man.....

But because aspergers is barely acknowledged by society[and subsequently people fear what they do not understand] a response of fear and loathing by the general populace is more about ignorance

than any justifiable fear and hatred of the aspergian condition

It would be like a dark age scenario, with the witch hunters condemning, and the masses nodding in agreement.

It just wont happen in this day and age. If it did the world would be thrust back in time, from an ethical and moral viewpoint