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20 Apr 2013, 1:04 am

The two struck a major blow for the Jihad.

They used minimal expenditure to cause a [relatively] maximum level of chaos and terror. When they were on the run, they had a city on lockdown with thousands of assets tied up for the search. Two lives and probably less than a thousand dollars worth of gear causing millions in damage to the enemy in addition to the lives they ruined (not to mention showing how easy it is).

If that ain't a win, I don't know what is.



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20 Apr 2013, 3:03 am

This piece of information does not appear to have had much exposure in the major headlines...
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press- ... government

Apparently, FBI received an intelligence request from a foreign government in 2011 regarding Tamerlan Tsarnaev (the older, deceased brother).

He was suspected of being a follower of Radical Islam, but FBI found no such link...

The press release does not specify the identity of the foreign government, but Russia is a likely candidate...



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20 Apr 2013, 3:06 am

Dillogic wrote:
The two struck a major blow for the Jihad.

They used minimal expenditure to cause a [relatively] maximum level of chaos and terror. When they were on the run, they had a city on lockdown with thousands of assets tied up for the search. Two lives and probably less than a thousand dollars worth of gear causing millions in damage to the enemy in addition to the lives they ruined (not to mention showing how easy it is).

If that ain't a win, I don't know what is.


What is all this about a "win"? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. A "win" is a successful step towards a goal, right? Well, what is the goal?

Are you implying that the goal is the military defeat of the United States? If that is the goal, then this isn't a "win", it's a "lose". An attack like this increases the power of the US military, it doesn't decrease it.



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20 Apr 2013, 5:07 am

How is it a loss then? Increased military funding for COIN warfare will decrease capabilities in other areas, which isn't desirable. The same for civil services (it will tie up assets that are needed for other criminal activities that are far more prevalent). An increase in overt action in other countries is a loss.

It can't be a draw due to the massive difference in resources spent. Two people and a thousand dollars versus an entire city and millions upon millions spent (in addition to Federal resources). No need to mention the psychological effect they had and have.

You just have to take the hit and move on; the good guys don't always win.



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20 Apr 2013, 6:15 am

Declension wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
The two struck a major blow for the Jihad.

They used minimal expenditure to cause a [relatively] maximum level of chaos and terror. When they were on the run, they had a city on lockdown with thousands of assets tied up for the search. Two lives and probably less than a thousand dollars worth of gear causing millions in damage to the enemy in addition to the lives they ruined (not to mention showing how easy it is).

If that ain't a win, I don't know what is.


What is all this about a "win"? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. A "win" is a successful step towards a goal, right? Well, what is the goal?

Are you implying that the goal is the military defeat of the United States? If that is the goal, then this isn't a "win", it's a "lose". An attack like this increases the power of the US military, it doesn't decrease it.


It means two men with a death wish put an entire city of Boston to a complete halt for 5 days. 4.5 million Boston residents were unable to leave their homes, schools shut, services unavailable. Creating as much havoc as Hurrican Katrina. They achieved their goal to terrorise the entire city.



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20 Apr 2013, 8:51 am

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It means two men with a death wish put an entire city of Boston to a complete halt for 5 days. 4.5 million Boston residents were unable to leave their homes, schools shut, services unavailable. Creating as much havoc as Hurrican Katrina. They achieved their goal to terrorise the entire city.


The younger Chechen was nabbed. Now Charlie can go back on the MTA and ride the trolley to work.

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20 Apr 2013, 9:51 am

i wonder where he will spend the rest of his life, walpole,norfolk or that new supermax shirley,mass

put him in a cell with a guy who hasnt seen a woman in 20 years


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20 Apr 2013, 10:13 am

Down into solitary confinement with nothing else: no food, no water, no light, no one and no attention, and a loud alarm set to go off loudly any time the prisoner kneels.



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20 Apr 2013, 1:55 pm

Dillogic wrote:
How is it a loss then? Increased military funding for COIN warfare will decrease capabilities in other areas, which isn't desirable. The same for civil services (it will tie up assets that are needed for other criminal activities that are far more prevalent). An increase in overt action in other countries is a loss.

It can't be a draw due to the massive difference in resources spent. Two people and a thousand dollars versus an entire city and millions upon millions spent (in addition to Federal resources). No need to mention the psychological effect they had and have.

You just have to take the hit and move on; the good guys don't always win.


I don't think you understand where I am coming from. I don't think of the US military as "the good guys". It's actually the exact opposite for me.

The reason that it worries me when people hype up terrorists as some kind of capable masterminds is that it increases the chance that the US military will do something terrible.



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20 Apr 2013, 2:31 pm

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i wonder where he will spend the rest of his life, walpole,norfolk or that new supermax shirley,mass

put him in a cell with a guy who hasnt seen a woman in 20 years


Does Massachusetts have the death penalty? If so, I hardly think this guy is getting out of it, unless he pleads guilty from the onset. Even if he does, is a prosecutor going to let him deal so he can keep on living?

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20 Apr 2013, 3:27 pm

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Even if he does, is a prosecutor going to let him deal so he can keep on living?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'd think that saving millions of dollars in trial and appeals expenses would be the actual motivating factor. Unless you think paying all that money to satiate a little bloodlust is a good use of tax dollars...


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20 Apr 2013, 4:43 pm

Dillogic wrote:
The two struck a major blow for the Jihad.

They used minimal expenditure to cause a [relatively] maximum level of chaos and terror. When they were on the run, they had a city on lockdown with thousands of assets tied up for the search. Two lives and probably less than a thousand dollars worth of gear causing millions in damage to the enemy in addition to the lives they ruined (not to mention showing how easy it is).

If that ain't a win, I don't know what is.


As of this morning Charlie got on the MTA in Boston. What win? The city is back in business again.

More people are killed and maimed in traffic accidents each day than were killed and maimed in the Marathon Bombing.

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20 Apr 2013, 5:30 pm

Even if specific accomplices are not found, the role of mentoring clerics may prove to be complicit, particularly those that preach martyrdom as a (short) life's goal.

It has been pointed out repeatedly that the bombers experienced feelings of isolation and inability to fit in. But that is not something limited to people of foriegn extraction, as we on the spectrum, as much as anyone well know. Nor did our society try to isolate them and in fact did practically all it could to help (ie accepting them as refugees, schooling, activities, etc). It may even be argued that society does a better job with immigrants then its own autisic citizens.

But when such as they are estranged, they become vunerable to influence from above mentioned mentors, who appeal to their sense of identity, culture and religion to be turned into martyrs or disposable political tools, depending on how you look at it.



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20 Apr 2013, 7:18 pm

It's amazing what you can find on the Internet, fron porn to making a homemade bomb with a pressure cooker. I'm glad he's been caught after those terrible killings.



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20 Apr 2013, 7:47 pm

If you regard this as a "win" for some terrorist group, then Comedy Central are masterminds that put the best of al Qaeda to shame - they shut down Boston, and a couple other places, with Lite-Brite installations promoting that year's season of Aqua Teen Hunger Force!


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20 Apr 2013, 8:26 pm

That's right... places get shut down on the silliest of pretences. Soon all that will be required is to say "Boo!".