Non-transgender Men Being Allowed In Women's Bathroom!

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Targets lets transvestites use the women's room.

That's how powerful this policy is -- any transgendered person.

Whatever, just get the terminology correct.

I'm not sure the terminology of "transvestite" is correct.

"The term 'transvestite' is very out of date, considered offensive".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?c ... &pid=24280

In LGBT publications they are called "cross dressers", an apparently less offensive term.

If someone is standing in the bathroom watching you, that's considered loitering and is already a crime. So if a guy (or even a girl) is standing around in the restroom, yes you can complain and have him removed and arrested for loitering.

Considering that female to male transgendered people tend to look a lot like men, I think they will run into bigger problems by being forced to use the female restroom. Can you imagine a female to male person with a full beard walking into a crowded bathroom?

I also don't know how this law can be enforced. What are they going to station guards outside of bathrooms to perform a genitalia check?

See, that's why, "we must implement these bathroom laws to protects the wimmin" is such a false argument. If a woman in North Carolina sees a man in the bathroom she will now *automatically* assume he is trans and belongs there, by law. Which means any non-trans perv can just walk in on his lunch break and everyone will assume he's trans, too and thus *belongs* there. No more having to don makeup, a wig, heels and a dress (as per *another* conservative scare rhetoric). In trying to regulate a problem that didn't actually exist, they created one.

Another big similar issue is that if a woman and her seven year old son are driving down the interstate in NC and he really, really, really has to go to the bathroom and the only place nearby is a freeway rest stop, she has to send him into the men's room by himself. He's seven, so he's no longer allowed in the women's room and she can't accompany him in the men's room to keep him safe. So again, in trying to regulate a problem that didn't actually exist, they create a far worse one.

As far as enforcement goes, these laws were intended to depend on citizen vigilantes, which has two very much intended effects. One is the social enforcing of conservative Christian standards of what "men" and "women" must look like. The other is the constant public outing and shaming of trans people, and anyone else who does not - or cannot - conform to the standards of that one group of people.

Edenthiel,

Well said.

Mr. AspE, Are you calling me little Miss Hate?

Then why didn't Target remove this guy?

http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/05/16/tar ... -bathroom/

Nurseangela,

Well said!

You darn right! If I have to be my own cheerleader, then I'm going to do it! GO BIG A!

I used to think that way too. I also thought it was some kink thing they did and role play and fantasy. It's like when I was a kid I wished I was a boy because I thought penises were cool, I thought it was the same for trans women too. I also thought they liked to be women because their clothes are cool and make up. So all this "feel like born with the wrong gender" was alien to me and I never could grasp the meaning of it. I didn't even know gender disorder existed and that there were male and female brains. I thought gender was based on our body, not brain. Even South Park did a show on it and how they did it when Mr. Garrison wanted to be a woman so he got a sex change, that is how the majority thinks of how transgender works.

IM blown away by how this has all blown up out of proportion, until it hit media i have never really heard of any issues, but now its in the spotlight everyone has views left right and center... bottom line is, if someone wishes to create harm they will do so despite what law is enforced, secondly Unisex toilets are common throughout Europe and the world including schools and obviously isnt an issue or it would have been changed! In France many male bathrooms (urinals) are actually outside in full view of all sexes and again there are no issues, the only issues are those that wish to create issues, therefore a law makes no difference!

It's a policy. If it makes no difference, then get rid of the policy and make the bathroom one big unibathroom, but they don't want to do that. Target wants controversy.

If women and girls aren't supposed to mind seeing strangers' penises, then why have any laws about public decency at all? Why not let everyone walk around naked?

On the continent of Europe people are generally less concerned about nudity.

Just saw this on Buzzfeed

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/anti-trans-hoaxes-on-fake-news-websites?utm_term=.rs9JpGLOM#.nxk7wAgbN

How do we even know that that article quoted in the OP is even true, or is it just scare mongering?

I really don't care where anyone pees or poops as long as it's not on the floor. Also I agree with all the people who say that the law isn't going to stop perverts taking advantage of people either way.

Worst perverts I ever dealt with in my life were other children when I was a child. Should we ban children from going into restrooms and make them all use one single disabled type cubicle one at a time?

Thats the extreme version and out of context of what i was trying to portray, in France as mentioned in the school playground i witnessed males urinating against a concrete wall designed as a urinal, and no you could not see penises, that wasnt the point i was making.. It just seems strange to me how much controversy is suddenly surrounding something that until now wasnt that controversial. Even here in New Zealand we have unisex bathrooms, and no-one batters an eyelid. It seems to be down to peoples perceptions inventing the worst case scenarios in their minds before anything has actually happened, as mentioned, if a policy/law is put in place it will make no difference to what was laid out before.. The bottom line is, if someone wishes to create harm they will do so no matter what policies are in place.. it just seems that its the NT version of a meltdown because something is about to change and they dont like it ( sorry, bad comparison i know, but was sort of supposed to be light humour ).. I have traveled the world quit alot and find all of this somewhat sad,humorous and baffling at the same time.. I really dont see the big deal in it all! I have even been at a urinal when a few women have come running in to use a cubicle and trust me, they had no intention to be staring or looking, they were desperate and the ladies cubicles were full up. I didnt care nore did they. the only issue is when its made into an issue as i feel this policy and the outcry is. Its illogical! just my point of view

However, if it is obvious someone is there to get their kicks, that is a different matter, no different from a man loitering in a male bathroom, im sure he would be asked to impolitely told to go away! However when people use this as an excuse to force prejudice because of their own personal point of view that could in effect get an innocent person in criminal trouble, then i see those individuals as no different from those that are creating perverted crimes! and that now seems to be the case when people get wrongly accused even by the same sex! as demonstrated below! Seems now an artificial fear is spreading and all are in the wake of the fire! But in targets case, i think someone should have at least investigated