Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed

Page 8 of 57 [ 902 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 57 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

22 Aug 2017, 8:35 am

AspieUtah wrote:

If we acquiesce to the removal of so-called racist imagery from the American Civil War, shouldn't we support the removal (demolition, destruction, relocation and repavement) of Holocaust imagery like Auschwitz and other concentration camps from World War II? What about Cultural Revolution imagery? Should nations now be expected to eradicate their own dark pasts?

Or, should we learn from such imagery as the witness and evidence of wrongheadedness of the past? Has humanity suddenly overcome its need to remind itself of egregious mistakes and malevolent intentions? Such arrogance.

Hey Wrong Way Corrigan.....

That's exactly the point.

You are implying that a statue glorifying a Confederate figure is the same thing as the Holocaust Museum in DC, or is the same thing as preserving the many sites of local aspects of the Holocaust in Europe (like preserving Aushwitz).

They are not only not the same thing, they are the exact opposite things.

Statues of Confederates are not "history". They are bogus nonhistory. They depict men who were traitors and sanitizes them to make them out has patriots and heroes. So preserving them is not preserving history. Its preserving a lie that cuts us off from history.

Preserving Aushwitz, or the remains of a Soviet Gulag, or the like, is as real and as unsanitary as it gets.
Its the equivalent, not of a statue of Lee, but of an American museum that might exist that would preserves the slave quarters of an antebellum plantation.

Exactly dude. We want posterity to see Aushwitz. We don't want posterity to see glorius looking statues of Stalin, and Hitler.

Likewise here in the States- exactly- we DO want "reminders of the follies of the past" - battlefields, and museum displays of slave chains.

But DO we want statues that glorify guys who committed treason - and did so only so they could continue to own slaves?

You just made a great case that we should not want that anymore.

Misslizard
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,481
Location: Aux Arcs

22 Aug 2017, 8:43 am

The Holocaust memorials honor the dead,not their murderer.
By the way,you folks in Utah did a good job at the memorial at Mountain Meadows,very peaceful.It was nice to see the Arkansas flag flying to honor the victims.I brought a rock from home to leave there.

_________________
I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

22 Aug 2017, 8:59 am

When someone tries to ruin a country but fails, they are called traitors. When they succeed, they are called democrats.

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

22 Aug 2017, 5:26 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

Mate! I don't see statues of Hitler or Goebells in Berlin, do you?

DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

22 Aug 2017, 6:14 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

What about Cultural Revolution imagery? Should nations now be expected to eradicate their own dark pasts?

For the record, it would be nice if China eliminated all of its Maoist imagery.

... but how would we achieve that? The government of China is undemocratic, much like the American corporate sector. They don't care about what anyone says. Triggering a populist uprising in China is equally unrealistic because the Chinese internet is heavily censored. It would be awesome, but it would be damn near impossible at this point.

That's the real reason why liberals almost never criticize China. Most of us don't like China. Most of us hate it ... but there is nothing that we can do about it.

Meanwhile, the West is democratic to a certain degree. We plan to use that democracy to change the world as much as possible.

_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

22 Aug 2017, 6:26 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

That's the real reason why liberals almost never criticize China. Most of us don't like China. Most of us hate it ... but there is nothing that we can do about it..

Another myth that leftists are sympathetic to China. The Green movement has long been banned in China because of China's record in relation to conservation, environment and treatment of Tibet.

Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

22 Aug 2017, 9:57 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Raptor wrote:

It should be clear that I could care less if anyone thinks I'm a troll. Hell, I enjoy having the label and others applied to me.
Your posts and threads have taken on a decidedly trollish demeanor. Well, they've always leaned that way but more so lately since the Trumpmeister got elected. Not that it bothers me one iota since I find trolls more amusing than disturbing.
Keep up the entertainment.

You do know that trolls are responsible for tipping people over the edge resulting in a spate of suicides across the globe. I wouldn't be so proud of boasting about such a reputation online

Show me were I said I was a troll. I double-dog dare ya. That aside, trolls aren't responsible for anything. If someone allows a troll to have that kind of influence on them it doesn't say much for their strength or character.

Think someone is a troll or a cyberbully? Easy, just don't read their posts. That's right, just skip over them. If you're so neurotic that you just HAVE to read what they write in case they might be talking about you then maybe it's time to cowboy up a little and get a life off-line.

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson

the_phoenix
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,489
Location: up from the ashes

22 Aug 2017, 10:42 pm

Raptor wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Raptor wrote:

You do know that trolls are responsible for tipping people over the edge resulting in a spate of suicides across the globe. I wouldn't be so proud of boasting about such a reputation online

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

22 Aug 2017, 11:07 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/

the_phoenix
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,489
Location: up from the ashes

22 Aug 2017, 11:10 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

And guess what?
I don't listen to it. :lol:

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

22 Aug 2017, 11:15 pm

Raptor wrote:

Show me were I said I was a troll. I double-dog dare ya.

You did say you i) you don't care if people think you are a troll and ii) enjoy having the label which taken in combination suggest you don't mind the label (which is what I was saying)

Raptor wrote:

That aside, trolls aren't responsible for anything. If someone allows a troll to have that kind of influence on them it doesn't say much for their strength or character.

They contribute, I don't think anybody disputes that

Raptor wrote:

Think someone is a troll or a cyberbully? Easy, just don't read their posts. That's right, just skip over them. If you're so neurotic that you just HAVE to read what they write in case they might be talking about you then maybe it's time to cowboy up a little and get a life off-line.

You and I might be able to "shrug it off" but not everybody can

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

22 Aug 2017, 11:19 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

Yes it's funny they take "umbridge" over many things said by minorities then expect others to take their slurs "like a cowboy"

DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

22 Aug 2017, 11:20 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

And guess what?
I don't listen to it. :lol:

Remember the nineties? Back then, the conservatives were trying to ban gangsta rap, violent video games, heavy metal music, D&D, Magic: the Gathering, Harry Potter and everything else that they considered "Satanic".

"WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??? CHILDREN ARE GOING TO SHOOT UP THEIR SCHOOLS AND THEN BURN IN HELL!! !"

Has the right moved beyond that crap?

If so, that's nice ... but I won't let you forget about your ugly past.

_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/

Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

22 Aug 2017, 11:31 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

Raptor wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Raptor wrote:

You do know that trolls are responsible for tipping people over the edge resulting in a spate of suicides across the globe. I wouldn't be so proud of boasting about such a reputation online

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Yeppers, it applies to statues and even flags.

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson

the_phoenix
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,489
Location: up from the ashes

22 Aug 2017, 11:31 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

And guess what?
I don't listen to it. :lol:

Your post doesn't apply to me.

DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

22 Aug 2017, 11:48 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

the_phoenix wrote:

So basically, what you seem to be saying is,
if you are offended by a statue,
don't look at it?

My, what a concept ...

Wouldn't it be nice if conservatives took this attitude and applied it to gangsta rap?

Don't like it? Don't listen to it! What a concept!

And guess what?
I don't listen to it. :lol:

Your post doesn't apply to me.

What do you think of those "Christian conservatives" who still hold onto "morality" and hate manly music?

They're lame eh? :lol:

I'll be glad when that type of conservative is finally dead. Those guys were even worse than the modern Trumpite trollpublican MRAs.

Can we all agree on that?

_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/

Page 8 of 57 [ 902 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 57 Next

Jump to:

Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed Post Reply New Topic

Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed