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21 Jan 2019, 2:52 am

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I agree that if you switch around the age, ethnicity and gender of the two involved, the scenario would be viewed differently. Really I think just removing the maga hat, would change the scenario.


Its really appalling, people on the left say hate speech leads to violence. But here we have people calling for violence against kids because they wore a hat. For instance Jack Morrissey a blue check producer says they should be thrown into a wood chipper.



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21 Jan 2019, 3:23 am

Daniel89 wrote:
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I agree that if you switch around the age, ethnicity and gender of the two involved, the scenario would be viewed differently. Really I think just removing the maga hat, would change the scenario.


Its really appalling, people on the left say hate speech leads to violence. But here we have people calling for violence against kids because they wore a hat. For instance Jack Morrissey a blue check producer says they should be thrown into a wood chipper.


If neither of you have figured it out, it's because of this:

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That is literally the reputation of a MAGA hat. Anyone who wears one knows it. If they choose to wear it, they're going to get treated like it's a daily wear casual version of their night time dress up hats. Some people (other racists) are going to treat them well because of it. Others aren't going to be too kind to them. Others yet will stare them down, beat their drums, and sing their songs of intertribal unity in opposition to everything that hat represents.


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21 Jan 2019, 3:25 am

Daniel89 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I agree that if you switch around the age, ethnicity and gender of the two involved, the scenario would be viewed differently. Really I think just removing the maga hat, would change the scenario.


Its really appalling, people on the left say hate speech leads to violence. But here we have people calling for violence against kids because they wore a hat. For instance Jack Morrissey a blue check producer says they should be thrown into a wood chipper.


Liberalism displays oodles of hatred and claims it as righteousness. It's just like what it's supposed to be against.



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21 Jan 2019, 3:25 am

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EzraS wrote:
I agree that if you switch around the age, ethnicity and gender of the two involved, the scenario would be viewed differently. Really I think just removing the maga hat, would change the scenario.


Its really appalling, people on the left say hate speech leads to violence. But here we have people calling for violence against kids because they wore a hat. For instance Jack Morrissey a blue check producer says they should be thrown into a wood chipper.


If neither of you have figured it out, it's because of this:

Image

That is literally the reputation of a MAGA hat. Anyone who wears one knows it. If they choose to wear it, they're going to get treated like it's a daily wear casual version of their night time dress up hats. Some people (other racists) are going to treat them well because of it. Others aren't going to be too kind to them. Others yet will stare them down, beat their drums, and sing their songs of intertribal unity in opposition to everything that hat represents.


And the black people who wear it are also Klansman then?

What you are doing is called victim blaming " he deserved it for what he was wearing".



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21 Jan 2019, 3:30 am

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Daniel89 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I agree that if you switch around the age, ethnicity and gender of the two involved, the scenario would be viewed differently. Really I think just removing the maga hat, would change the scenario.


Its really appalling, people on the left say hate speech leads to violence. But here we have people calling for violence against kids because they wore a hat. For instance Jack Morrissey a blue check producer says they should be thrown into a wood chipper.


If neither of you have figured it out, it's because of this:

Image

That is literally the reputation of a MAGA hat. Anyone who wears one knows it. If they choose to wear it, they're going to get treated like it's a daily wear casual version of their night time dress up hats. Some people (other racists) are going to treat them well because of it. Others aren't going to be too kind to them. Others yet will stare them down, beat their drums, and sing their songs of intertribal unity in opposition to everything that hat represents.


And the black people who wear it are also Klansman then?

What you are doing is called victim blaming " he deserved it for what he was wearing".


It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


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21 Jan 2019, 3:33 am

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It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?



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21 Jan 2019, 3:35 am

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It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?


None of those are comparable examples.

If someone wore their actual klan hood, I'd expect them to be targeted by protesters. If someone wore a hat with a nazi swastika on it, same thing. <Insert any other symbol of racial hatred you can think of>, same thing.


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21 Jan 2019, 3:36 am

It’s not a clan hood.
It’s trumps political slogan and he’s not a klans men.

” you can have free speech unless you disagree with us”



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21 Jan 2019, 3:38 am

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goldfish21 wrote:

It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?


None of those are comparable examples.

If someone wore their actual klan hood, I'd expect them to be targeted by protesters. If someone wore a hat with a nazi swastika on it, same thing. <Insert any other symbol of racial hatred you can think of>, same thing.


A Trump hat is not comparable to a Klan hood though, it doesn't have the same history what so ever.

Would you rather go to a concentration camp or Hell? The Christian and Muslim God is far worse than Hitler.



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21 Jan 2019, 3:44 am

Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:

It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?


None of those are comparable examples.

If someone wore their actual klan hood, I'd expect them to be targeted by protesters. If someone wore a hat with a nazi swastika on it, same thing. <Insert any other symbol of racial hatred you can think of>, same thing.


A Trump hat is not comparable to a Klan hood though, it doesn't have the same history what so ever.

Would you rather go to a concentration camp or Hell? The Christian and Muslim God is far worse than Hitler.


More than just myself have taken the time to explain to you that a MAGA hat is perceived as a symbol of racism & white supremacy. That is it's reputation. People who wear it are expressing that, and people who see them are perceiving that. What part of this do you not understand? :?

Also, what's with your irrelevant comparisons and questions? Are you trying to distract from your obvious pretending not to understand that MAGA hat = symbol of racism? :?


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21 Jan 2019, 3:47 am

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Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:

It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?


None of those are comparable examples.

If someone wore their actual klan hood, I'd expect them to be targeted by protesters. If someone wore a hat with a nazi swastika on it, same thing. <Insert any other symbol of racial hatred you can think of>, same thing.


A Trump hat is not comparable to a Klan hood though, it doesn't have the same history what so ever.

Would you rather go to a concentration camp or Hell? The Christian and Muslim God is far worse than Hitler.


More than just myself have taken the time to explain to you that a MAGA hat is perceived as a symbol of racism & white supremacy. That is it's reputation. People who wear it are expressing that, and people who see them are perceiving that. What part of this do you not understand? :?

Also, what's with your irrelevant comparisons and questions? Are you trying to distract from your obvious pretending not to understand that MAGA hat = symbol of racism? :?


You are trying to paint your perception as the universal perception when it is not.

You are saying the MAGA hat is a hate symbol. The God of Islam and Christianity condemns non believers to eternal torture in Hell surely that is hateful.



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21 Jan 2019, 3:48 am

Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:

It's not blaming. It's cause & effect. If you wear something that symbolizes racism, you should expect to be treated like a racist. It's as simple as that. Other racists will treat you well, normal people will either ignore or despise you.


"If you dress like a whore you should expect to be dressed like a whore".

Would you think it was okay for women in Hijabs, Nuns and Priests to be targeted for harassment?


None of those are comparable examples.

If someone wore their actual klan hood, I'd expect them to be targeted by protesters. If someone wore a hat with a nazi swastika on it, same thing. <Insert any other symbol of racial hatred you can think of>, same thing.


A Trump hat is not comparable to a Klan hood though, it doesn't have the same history what so ever.

Would you rather go to a concentration camp or Hell? The Christian and Muslim God is far worse than Hitler.


More than just myself have taken the time to explain to you that a MAGA hat is perceived as a symbol of racism & white supremacy. That is it's reputation. People who wear it are expressing that, and people who see them are perceiving that. What part of this do you not understand? :?

Also, what's with your irrelevant comparisons and questions? Are you trying to distract from your obvious pretending not to understand that MAGA hat = symbol of racism? :?


You are trying to paint your perception as the universal perception when it is not.

You are saying the MAGA hat is a hate symbol. The God of Islam and Christianity condemns non believers to eternal torture in Hell surely that is hateful.


No. I'm explaining to you, again, very patiently and slowly, that this is the common perception of what a MAGA hat represents. Full stop.


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21 Jan 2019, 3:51 am

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No. I'm explaining to you, again, very patiently and slowly, that this is the common perception of what a MAGA hat represents. Full stop.


It may be a common perception but its not universal. You wouldn't attack an Indian person for wearing a Swastika symbol because you know its not Nazism. But you assume everyone wearing a MAGA hat is a racist, very prejudice.



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21 Jan 2019, 4:00 am

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No. I'm explaining to you, again, very patiently and slowly, that this is the common perception of what a MAGA hat represents. Full stop.


It may be a common perception but its not universal. You wouldn't attack an Indian person for wearing a Swastika symbol because you know its not Nazism. But you assume everyone wearing a MAGA hat is a racist, very prejudice.


Mmhmm, just like there’s plenty of non-racists at klan meetings.


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21 Jan 2019, 4:01 am

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No. I'm explaining to you, again, very patiently and slowly, that this is the common perception of what a MAGA hat represents. Full stop.


It may be a common perception but its not universal. You wouldn't attack an Indian person for wearing a Swastika symbol because you know its not Nazism. But you assume everyone wearing a MAGA hat is a racist, very prejudice.


Mmhmm, just like there’s plenty of non-racists at klan meetings.


I don't even know how that's meant to be an argument.



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21 Jan 2019, 4:30 am

There is no good side here. Most involved in the incident were acting like as*holes. Some people were more as*hole then others but I consider it a waste of my time to try and figure out who is worse. Mr. Phillips chose a really dumb way to be a peacemaker. His fellow AIM protester was telling the kids to go back to Europe. If I was in that group after all the insults I would have interpreted Mr. Phillips actions as hostile. I did not hear "Build a Wall" but several people did. The smile of the student is what we call a "s**t eating grin". The student claimed the chaperones told the students to respond to the racist chants with the school anthem. WTF is wrong with them? The chaperones should have gotten the students out of there. Being from New York I often have run into groups like the Black Israelites or individuals that scream insults at passerby. I understand they are a hopeless waste of time and not worth the risk of me getting hurt.

They took the students to a political demonstration. You must understand that attending a political demonstration entails risk in 2019.

The provocations did bring out their bigoted side. The students were mocking Indian chants.

Considering the provocations expulsion is too severe a punishment. I would say forget about anymore "field trips" for the students or the chaperones.

It is a miracle the situation did not escalate beyond verbal assaults.


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