16yo Thunberg: She’s the MVP Aspie of the world! IMO

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24 Sep 2019, 5:45 pm

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25 Sep 2019, 9:56 am

2019 and conservatives have been defending the likes of Kim Jung Un and Putin while trying to destroy children trying to fight for a better society on their own soil

Hope I'm wrong, but seems like we're screwed


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25 Sep 2019, 10:18 am

I looked up her speech on youtube. It was very emotional. I do not know how much she actually knows about climate change from a well rounded perspective, or if she is a victim of fear-mongering. I am of the same generation and personally I am skeptical of the claims of an imminent apocalypse.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9b9h2x5o4



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25 Sep 2019, 11:08 am

A few things of note: her parents and grandparents include some quite famous and wealthy actors and directors, and this smells of more than a little coaching. Furthermore, she apparently hasn't been in school since she was 8. If your 8 year old daughter came and told you she didn't want to go to school anymore because she needed to climate activist (it's a verb now), would you consider it responsible parenting to go along with it?


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25 Sep 2019, 11:26 am

I have not really followed this thread or situation at all. But one of my thoughts looking into it more today is it struck me that she might be being used as a prop. Being used as a poster child so to speak. I think some of the condemning remarks I have seen are directed at that idea rather than at her.



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25 Sep 2019, 11:31 am

How she expresses herself, I wonder if it's because her parents are actors so she might have learned crafting and used it to express herself. When I first saw the speech on the news, I thought she was doing some monologue because of how she was expressing it and I realized she was that climate girl. I looked her up and saw her parents are actors and that explained it.


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25 Sep 2019, 11:34 am

I would like to see her debate a Gen Z Autistic “denier” .


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25 Sep 2019, 11:35 am

When I was 12, I saw the famous Banff glacier and it's meltwater pond, Lake Louise, overlooked by a fine, stone-built railway hotel. At the time, nobody had ever heard of a glacier retreating steadily. Now, guests get a view of a rubble slope, and a distant bit of ice. The news is similar all over. As a Canadian, I know that if the water in the tank outside is staying frozen, average temperatures are going down, and if it is melting, they are going up.

I made conservation my vocation in '77 just to leave some oil for ordinary use a few generations on, and 35 years later, methane started bubbling out of the Arctic, putting the climate system into positive feedback for more warming, despite all the loss of ice tending to stabilize things. Collapse isn't "imminent" in a human time scale where we plan for next month, but it certainly is when thinking of decades. Every year, there are more people losing their homes to weather, and fewer places for them to run that have not also had a disaster.

Last century, it would have been enough to stop burning carbon as fast as possible, but the economy demanded business as usual. Now, we have to rearrange the whole economy to "un-burn" huge amounts of carbon, or the situation will get worse faster and faster.

People who are trying to save the climate must necessarily have some structure. Pointing out that we invite Greta to speak is just as normal as asking a celebrity to speak anywhere, and celebrities must be good communicators one way or another.



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25 Sep 2019, 11:36 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I would like to see her debate a Gen Z Autistic “denier” .


Alright, I'm game :P


(although I'd call myself a skeptic rather than a "denier")


But actually that would be interesting.

I'm surprised the oil companies haven't come up with one yet :mrgreen:



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25 Sep 2019, 11:48 am

Dear_one wrote:
When I was 12, I saw the famous Banff glacier and it's meltwater pond, Lake Louise, overlooked by a fine, stone-built railway hotel. At the time, nobody had ever heard of a glacier retreating steadily. Now, guests get a view of a rubble slope, and a distant bit of ice. The news is similar all over. As a Canadian, I know that if the water in the tank outside is staying frozen, average temperatures are going down, and if it is melting, they are going up.

I made conservation my vocation in '77 just to leave some oil for ordinary use a few generations on, and 35 years later, methane started bubbling out of the Arctic, putting the climate system into positive feedback for more warming, despite all the loss of ice tending to stabilize things. Collapse isn't "imminent" in a human time scale where we plan for next month, but it certainly is when thinking of decades. Every year, there are more people losing their homes to weather, and fewer places for them to run that have not also had a disaster.

Last century, it would have been enough to stop burning carbon as fast as possible, but the economy demanded business as usual. Now, we have to rearrange the whole economy to "un-burn" huge amounts of carbon, or the situation will get worse faster and faster.

People who are trying to save the climate must necessarily have some structure. Pointing out that we invite Greta to speak is just as normal as asking a celebrity to speak anywhere, and celebrities must be good communicators one way or another.


What do you think of my belief that fossil fuel vehicles and such are being replaced by 21st century tech anyways?

My great-great grandfather drove a combustion engine car. They are outdated.



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25 Sep 2019, 12:06 pm

I'm with Piers Morgan on this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHNg-N-ENI



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25 Sep 2019, 2:20 pm

EzraS wrote:

What do you think of my belief that fossil fuel vehicles and such are being replaced by 21st century tech anyways?

My great-great grandfather drove a combustion engine car. They are outdated.


That is certainly happening, but it is nowhere near adequate. We are still used to the biggest, most wasteful cars we could be sold for status reasons, and are not considering our real needs. We are still burning fuel for heat, and even throwing away 20% just to run a chimney, when we should be using it to run a heat pump to get 3 or 4 times more use from it. Agriculture is another ongoing disaster causing vast pollution and many extinctions. We are fed by companies that pay no attention to health, and medicated by companies that pay no attention to nutrition. Capitalism has poisoned everything to increase profits.



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25 Sep 2019, 3:13 pm

I think that we are very lucky that Greta grew up seeing her parents perform in public regularly. That helped her develop a rare talent for a nerd who got into a climate special interest.



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25 Sep 2019, 9:35 pm

Dear_one wrote:
EzraS wrote:

What do you think of my belief that fossil fuel vehicles and such are being replaced by 21st century tech anyways?

My great-great grandfather drove a combustion engine car. They are outdated.


That is certainly happening, but it is nowhere near adequate. We are still used to the biggest, most wasteful cars we could be sold for status reasons, and are not considering our real needs. We are still burning fuel for heat, and even throwing away 20% just to run a chimney, when we should be using it to run a heat pump to get 3 or 4 times more use from it. Agriculture is another ongoing disaster causing vast pollution and many extinctions. We are fed by companies that pay no attention to health, and medicated by companies that pay no attention to nutrition. Capitalism has poisoned everything to increase profits.


So what we really need to do to save the planet is to get rid of capitalism. A liberal democrat socialism society is what will save the world.



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25 Sep 2019, 10:26 pm

EzraS wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
EzraS wrote:

What do you think of my belief that fossil fuel vehicles and such are being replaced by 21st century tech anyways?

My great-great grandfather drove a combustion engine car. They are outdated.


That is certainly happening, but it is nowhere near adequate. We are still used to the biggest, most wasteful cars we could be sold for status reasons, and are not considering our real needs. We are still burning fuel for heat, and even throwing away 20% just to run a chimney, when we should be using it to run a heat pump to get 3 or 4 times more use from it. Agriculture is another ongoing disaster causing vast pollution and many extinctions. We are fed by companies that pay no attention to health, and medicated by companies that pay no attention to nutrition. Capitalism has poisoned everything to increase profits.


So what we really need to do to save the planet is to get rid of capitalism. A liberal democrat socialism society is what will save the world.



Does China get a pass for fumigating the planet because they are already Communists?


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