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15 Aug 2019, 11:42 am

Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with intelligent thought.

What no one realizes is that this method of suicide is relatively common in jails. Guards frequently don't make their rounds and just play computer games in their office. Some sleep. All these things are common. Even with 30 minute checks, that is plenty of time to string yourself up.

Whether or not JE committed suicide or not is still up for grabs. But the only reason his suicide/murder got attention is because he is currently infamous. Most suicides go unnoted except by family.


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15 Aug 2019, 11:55 am

blazingstar wrote:
Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with INTELLIGENT thought...
Emphasis mine.



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15 Aug 2019, 12:12 pm

Blindly parroting what your government says is the opposite of intelligent.

For anyone who is open minded. Here are a few cases of obvious foul play when those a threat to powerful people have been suicided.








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15 Aug 2019, 1:07 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with intelligent thought.

What no one realizes is that this method of suicide is relatively common in jails. Guards frequently don't make their rounds and just play computer games in their office. Some sleep. All these things are common. Even with 30 minute checks, that is plenty of time to string yourself up.

Whether or not JE committed suicide or not is still up for grabs. But the only reason his suicide/murder got attention is because he is currently infamous. Most suicides go unnoted except by family.


The suicide probability is high, I agree, but not 100% and people parading around like they are 100% sure of things are annoying people. This nature of humans is why a bunch of countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 basically don't exist anymore (Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq) and Saudi Arabia keeps plodding along with a more horrible humanitarian record and than any of them and the only government/financial ties to 9/11. What a deal. :)



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15 Aug 2019, 1:49 pm

Roboto wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with intelligent thought.

What no one realizes is that this method of suicide is relatively common in jails. Guards frequently don't make their rounds and just play computer games in their office. Some sleep. All these things are common. Even with 30 minute checks, that is plenty of time to string yourself up.

Whether or not JE committed suicide or not is still up for grabs. But the only reason his suicide/murder got attention is because he is currently infamous. Most suicides go unnoted except by family.


The suicide probability is high, I agree, but not 100% and people parading around like they are 100% sure of things are annoying people. This nature of humans is why a bunch of countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 basically don't exist anymore (Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq) and Saudi Arabia keeps plodding along with a more horrible humanitarian record and than any of them and the only government/financial ties to 9/11. What a deal. :)


Yep.

Though I'd put murder at 95% chance. It's the idiots who are saying he is still alive that are the problem.


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15 Aug 2019, 2:27 pm

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Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with INTELLIGENT thought...
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I'm glad you caught that. :D

John Powell: Was your comment directed at mine? Of course there are people who were "suicided", but that doesn't mean that any given one is a murder, especially in the absence of evidence. That's why we keep open minds, learn the facts and make a determination. Which may be different from others, since none of us is omniscient. :D


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15 Aug 2019, 2:33 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Roboto wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with intelligent thought.

What no one realizes is that this method of suicide is relatively common in jails. Guards frequently don't make their rounds and just play computer games in their office. Some sleep. All these things are common. Even with 30 minute checks, that is plenty of time to string yourself up.

Whether or not JE committed suicide or not is still up for grabs. But the only reason his suicide/murder got attention is because he is currently infamous. Most suicides go unnoted except by family.


The suicide probability is high, I agree, but not 100% and people parading around like they are 100% sure of things are annoying people. This nature of humans is why a bunch of countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 basically don't exist anymore (Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq) and Saudi Arabia keeps plodding along with a more horrible humanitarian record and than any of them and the only government/financial ties to 9/11. What a deal. :)


Yep.

Though I'd put murder at 95% chance. It's the idiots who are saying he is still alive that are the problem.

this type of thing goes on all the time in americas jails and prisons,here we just have a famous suicide victim.But this is nothing out of the ordinary,some guy wants to die guards are overworked and he kills himself.happens every day just not to famous people.

it would be normal for the hyoid bone to be broken in a suicide in an older person like 66 year old Epstein


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15 Aug 2019, 2:54 pm

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Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with INTELLIGENT thought...
Emphasis mine.


I'm glad you caught that. :D

John Powell: Was your comment directed at mine? Of course there are people who were "suicided", but that doesn't mean that any given one is a murder, especially in the absence of evidence. That's why we keep open minds, learn the facts and make a determination. Which may be different from others, since none of us is omniscient. :D


No, it was directed at anyone calling me or anyone else stupid for asking questions.


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15 Aug 2019, 3:57 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Fnord wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Questioning is always good, especially if it is combined with INTELLIGENT thought...
Emphasis mine.


I'm glad you caught that. :D

John Powell: Was your comment directed at mine? Of course there are people who were "suicided", but that doesn't mean that any given one is a murder, especially in the absence of evidence. That's why we keep open minds, learn the facts and make a determination. Which may be different from others, since none of us is omniscient. :D


No, it was directed at anyone calling me or anyone else stupid for asking questions.


Thank you for explaining. I am almost always in favor of questions.


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15 Aug 2019, 4:19 pm

:wink:


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15 Aug 2019, 4:59 pm

I'd like someone to explain to me how any reputable psychologist would take a prisoner off suicide watch who, just three weeks earlier, tried to commit suicide. A man who was part of the jet-set, who lived a privileged life very few live, and is now stuffed into a tiny, drab cell, where he'll likely spend the rest of his miserable existence. I'm willing to accept overworked guards not doing their jobs. But that one is a little hard to digest.


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15 Aug 2019, 6:42 pm

He got the same treatment as any other inmate in the facility.It happens all the time to ordinary people.If my nephew could kill himself in a mental hospital full of psychologists then it’s certainly possible that it’s nothing more than another suicide.He knew what was going to happen to him in the big house.


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15 Aug 2019, 6:48 pm

But Epstein was a very important potential material witness and the nation's most high profile prisoner.



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15 Aug 2019, 7:08 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
I'd like someone to explain to me how any reputable psychologist would take a prisoner off suicide watch who, just three weeks earlier, tried to commit suicide. A man who was part of the jet-set, who lived a privileged life very few live, and is now stuffed into a tiny, drab cell, where he'll likely spend the rest of his miserable existence. I'm willing to accept overworked guards not doing their jobs. But that one is a little hard to digest.


The key word is reputable.

It's not just the guards who are lazy, not paying attention, or corrupt or even disturbed.

Edit: Reputable means to have a good reputation? Many professionals with good reputations are lousy practitioners.

Also, I didn't mean this as criticism of Vegetable Man. Just that it is often assumed that someone with educational credentials is honorable in other ways.


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15 Aug 2019, 11:51 pm

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I'd like someone to explain to me how any reputable psychologist would take a prisoner off suicide watch who, just three weeks earlier, tried to commit suicide. A man who was part of the jet-set, who lived a privileged life very few live, and is now stuffed into a tiny, drab cell, where he'll likely spend the rest of his miserable existence. I'm willing to accept overworked guards not doing their jobs. But that one is a little hard to digest.


It was his lawyers who took him off suicide watch. The sleepy guards line is just a conspiracy theory.


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16 Aug 2019, 8:04 am

JohnPowell wrote:
It was his lawyers who took him off suicide watch.
Evidence, please?
JohnPowell wrote:
The sleepy guards line is just a conspiracy theory.
Pot ... Kettle ... Black.



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