Kraichgauer
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05 Jul 2021, 6:14 pm
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I've always considered BLM to be an anarchist organisation first and foremost followed by a money laundering/fraud scheme. They're just feigning interest in improving race relations to gain public support and donation money. Ironic and hypocritical for an anarchist group really.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
Even the notion that black lives matter?
Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.
And just how is that?
Probably because BLM stated again and again they want the removal of police forces and leading figures within the organisation appear to be fond embezzlement.
While it's doubtlessly a bad idea to do away with law enforcement, one has to remember the bad relationship the African American community has had with the police, who have been especially violent and racist toward them. If I were in their shoes, there's a good chance I'd be calling for the same thing.
There might be a culture clash between where I live and the US. I live in an almost entirely white area which has also suffered extreme exploitation bordering on slavery for well over a century.
I have no respect for BLM period. Perhaps it's different to the "new world" like in the US, but where I'm from where white kids used to get blown up in mines and many not even paid actual currency for working 12 hour days, I just don't really care either way.
I'm probably never likely to respect BLM really.
Wait a minute... you live in Wales... What do you really know about my country?
Seeing BLM spread through most of the western world including Wales, it's irrelevant what country I'm from. I live in a poor, predominantly white rural area in the UK and I'm regularly hammered with BLM advocacy.
What goes on in your country is certainly relevant to me in such circumstances.
I don't doubt that living in a poor, rural area is no picnic for anyone, regardless of color. That said, have you considered extending some empathy to black citizens of your country, in order to understand where they're coming from?
There virtually are no black citizens in Wales or have I heard of any race crimes here yet were still under overbearing pressure to show them empathy.
A report was done recently that actually discovered white working class folk have it worse than blacks in the UK.
That alone says it all.
That isn't the case for many black Americans, though.
Poor and rural whites have common cause with blacks - everywhere. Wouldn't it make sense to join together for a common cause?
Kraichgauer
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05 Jul 2021, 6:18 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I've always considered BLM to be an anarchist organisation first and foremost followed by a money laundering/fraud scheme. They're just feigning interest in improving race relations to gain public support and donation money. Ironic and hypocritical for an anarchist group really.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
Even the notion that black lives matter?
Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.
And just how is that?
Probably because BLM stated again and again they want the removal of police forces and leading figures within the organisation appear to be fond embezzlement.
While it's doubtlessly a bad idea to do away with law enforcement, one has to remember the bad relationship the African American community has had with the police, who have been especially violent and racist toward them. If I were in their shoes, there's a good chance I'd be calling for the same thing.
Nope
USA Today
Quote:
Only 18% of respondents supported the movement known as "defund the police," and 58% said they opposed it. Though white Americans (67%) and Republicans (84%) were much more likely to oppose the movement, only 28% of Black Americans and 34% of Democrats were in favor of it.
But that's just defunding the police. Reforming the police, and protecting civil rights, is quite another matter that most people could get behind.
05 Jul 2021, 6:33 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I've always considered BLM to be an anarchist organisation first and foremost followed by a money laundering/fraud scheme. They're just feigning interest in improving race relations to gain public support and donation money. Ironic and hypocritical for an anarchist group really.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
Even the notion that black lives matter?
Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.
And just how is that?
Probably because BLM stated again and again they want the removal of police forces and leading figures within the organisation appear to be fond embezzlement.
While it's doubtlessly a bad idea to do away with law enforcement, one has to remember the bad relationship the African American community has had with the police, who have been especially violent and racist toward them. If I were in their shoes, there's a good chance I'd be calling for the same thing.
There might be a culture clash between where I live and the US. I live in an almost entirely white area which has also suffered extreme exploitation bordering on slavery for well over a century.
I have no respect for BLM period. Perhaps it's different to the "new world" like in the US, but where I'm from where white kids used to get blown up in mines and many not even paid actual currency for working 12 hour days, I just don't really care either way.
I'm probably never likely to respect BLM really.
Wait a minute... you live in Wales... What do you really know about my country?
Seeing BLM spread through most of the western world including Wales, it's irrelevant what country I'm from. I live in a poor, predominantly white rural area in the UK and I'm regularly hammered with BLM advocacy.
What goes on in your country is certainly relevant to me in such circumstances.
I don't doubt that living in a poor, rural area is no picnic for anyone, regardless of color. That said, have you considered extending some empathy to black citizens of your country, in order to understand where they're coming from?
There virtually are no black citizens in Wales or have I heard of any race crimes here yet were still under overbearing pressure to show them empathy.
A report was done recently that actually discovered white working class folk have it worse than blacks in the UK.
That alone says it all.
That isn't the case for many black Americans, though.
Poor and rural whites have common cause with blacks - everywhere. Wouldn't it make sense to join together for a common cause?
Yes.We need to band together.
https://www.redneckrevolt.org/principles
Kraichgauer
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05 Jul 2021, 6:51 pm
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I've always considered BLM to be an anarchist organisation first and foremost followed by a money laundering/fraud scheme. They're just feigning interest in improving race relations to gain public support and donation money. Ironic and hypocritical for an anarchist group really.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.
Even the notion that black lives matter?
Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.
And just how is that?
Probably because BLM stated again and again they want the removal of police forces and leading figures within the organisation appear to be fond embezzlement.
While it's doubtlessly a bad idea to do away with law enforcement, one has to remember the bad relationship the African American community has had with the police, who have been especially violent and racist toward them. If I were in their shoes, there's a good chance I'd be calling for the same thing.
There might be a culture clash between where I live and the US. I live in an almost entirely white area which has also suffered extreme exploitation bordering on slavery for well over a century.
I have no respect for BLM period. Perhaps it's different to the "new world" like in the US, but where I'm from where white kids used to get blown up in mines and many not even paid actual currency for working 12 hour days, I just don't really care either way.
I'm probably never likely to respect BLM really.
Wait a minute... you live in Wales... What do you really know about my country?
Seeing BLM spread through most of the western world including Wales, it's irrelevant what country I'm from. I live in a poor, predominantly white rural area in the UK and I'm regularly hammered with BLM advocacy.
What goes on in your country is certainly relevant to me in such circumstances.
I don't doubt that living in a poor, rural area is no picnic for anyone, regardless of color. That said, have you considered extending some empathy to black citizens of your country, in order to understand where they're coming from?
There virtually are no black citizens in Wales or have I heard of any race crimes here yet were still under overbearing pressure to show them empathy.
A report was done recently that actually discovered white working class folk have it worse than blacks in the UK.
That alone says it all.
That isn't the case for many black Americans, though.
Poor and rural whites have common cause with blacks - everywhere. Wouldn't it make sense to join together for a common cause?
Yes.We need to band together.
https://www.redneckrevolt.org/principles
I remember reading about the multi-racial strike back in 1921. Very reminiscent of the Wobblies (Industrial Workers of the World) in my part of the country, which Woodrow Wilson sought to destroy during WWI.
05 Jul 2021, 6:59 pm
Nades wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Some observations:
1.) I had posted earlier that, in the name of civility, WP should ban links to "news" organizations connected in any way with the Murdoch Organization.
This sort of censorship would make WP a publisher, and not a platform, I believe.1.) I had posted earlier that, in the name of civility, WP should ban links to "news" organizations connected in any way with the Murdoch Organization.
Also, MaxE has a point - why anyone would willingly consume poison is a mystery.
I'm not tuned into US law at all but I thought public platforms needed to be impartial to be considered a public platform? Otherwise it's not really public and considered more of a site owners platform?
A private website can post virtually anything it wants.
The problem arises when the website censors other people's posts.
This "problem" is the loss of significant legal protection under section 230, as I have mentioned a number of times.
05 Jul 2021, 7:04 pm
magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
I think we should keep in mind that even within "the West", different countries have different histories and different sets of social issues stemming from it.
Yup. BLM to many here is the equivalent of going into a trailer park full of poor white families in the US and calling them privileged racists.
It's just a massive no no and very abrasive but people actually do that here.
Here, people seem much more "color blind" than they appear in the US, so the killings that trigger BLM protests are like, what, something like this happening in a country that calls itself civilized?
Opinions on BLM itself are divisive, my own opinion is that the protests are exceptionally badly handled - US police really needs to learn de-escalation techniques. Not everything can be solved by more bullying.
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
I am a pacifist.
Perhaps my thinking is irrational.
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05 Jul 2021, 7:05 pm
Nades wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
^ AFAIK a privately owned site can be anything it wants to be and represent whatever it wants in whatever manner it chooses. (although obviously, topics barred by law will temper that - CP, for example)
Perhaps it's only for very large websites, but I thought that doing that makes the owners liable for the content on the website even if posted by another user without the owners knowledge.
Censorship of users is still publishing the owners opinions by proxy if the censorship is overbearing.
This is my understanding.
Nades wrote:
It'll be interesting if such a challenge to Section 230 is made but I feel one will be made in the coming couple of years. It's already law in Europe that to have protection from personal liability, the website owners must be impartial.
Not that blocking sources was obviously ever going to happen (hopefully that is). But in regards to European law, Pepe was correct.
Once again, this is my understanding.
The owner of a site is allowed to put forth their own opinions, pretty much whatever it may be.
It is the censorship of *others* which changes a platform into a publisher, which causes the loss of the protection under article 230.
I thought it was rather simple to understand.
05 Jul 2021, 7:18 pm
05 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
I think we should keep in mind that even within "the West", different countries have different histories and different sets of social issues stemming from it.
Yup. BLM to many here is the equivalent of going into a trailer park full of poor white families in the US and calling them privileged racists.
It's just a massive no no and very abrasive but people actually do that here.
Here, people seem much more "color blind" than they appear in the US, so the killings that trigger BLM protests are like, what, something like this happening in a country that calls itself civilized?
Opinions on BLM itself are divisive, my own opinion is that the protests are exceptionally badly handled - US police really needs to learn de-escalation techniques. Not everything can be solved by more bullying.
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
A am a pacifist.
Perhaps my thinking is irrational.
People shouldn’t catch stuff on fire period.
It’s always a few a$$holes that make the most trouble.The majority of protestors were peaceful but all that gets overshadowed when someone gets all torchy.
05 Jul 2021, 7:29 pm
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
I think we should keep in mind that even within "the West", different countries have different histories and different sets of social issues stemming from it.
Yup. BLM to many here is the equivalent of going into a trailer park full of poor white families in the US and calling them privileged racists.
It's just a massive no no and very abrasive but people actually do that here.
Here, people seem much more "color blind" than they appear in the US, so the killings that trigger BLM protests are like, what, something like this happening in a country that calls itself civilized?
Opinions on BLM itself are divisive, my own opinion is that the protests are exceptionally badly handled - US police really needs to learn de-escalation techniques. Not everything can be solved by more bullying.
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
A am a pacifist.
Perhaps my thinking is irrational.
People shouldn’t catch stuff on fire period.
It’s always a few a$$holes that make the most trouble.The majority of protestors were peaceful but all that gets overshadowed when someone gets all torchy.
Agreed.
Entire blocks burnt down, by a few scumbags, in a peaceful protest?
I'd hate to see what an angry protest is like. EEP!
05 Jul 2021, 7:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
I think we should keep in mind that even within "the West", different countries have different histories and different sets of social issues stemming from it.
Yup. BLM to many here is the equivalent of going into a trailer park full of poor white families in the US and calling them privileged racists.
It's just a massive no no and very abrasive but people actually do that here.
Here, people seem much more "color blind" than they appear in the US, so the killings that trigger BLM protests are like, what, something like this happening in a country that calls itself civilized?
Opinions on BLM itself are divisive, my own opinion is that the protests are exceptionally badly handled - US police really needs to learn de-escalation techniques. Not everything can be solved by more bullying.
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
A am a pacifist.
Perhaps my thinking is irrational.
People shouldn’t catch stuff on fire period.
It’s always a few a$$holes that make the most trouble.The majority of protestors were peaceful but all that gets overshadowed when someone gets all torchy.
Agreed.
Entire blocks burnt down, by a few scumbags, in a peaceful protest?
I'd hate to see what an angry protest is like. EEP!
You did on January sixth.
05 Jul 2021, 7:43 pm
MaxE wrote:
Pepe wrote:
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
Entire blocks? When and where did this happen?
Imagination and fantasy are can be both wonderful and dangerous
BLM is a reactionary response to police brutality aimed at one segment of the population that perpetuates social discrimination they have experienced over centuries. It's been conflated with racism against whites which is false propaganda since the majority of those marching around the world in support of BLM are white.
A simple check of FBI reports will indicate neither BLM or Antifa present any risk to the wider population. However the main problem has always come from right wing groups
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... error-2020
These groups are closely affiliated with the police
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
simples
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05 Jul 2021, 8:30 pm
05 Jul 2021, 8:32 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Pepe wrote:
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
Entire blocks? When and where did this happen?
It didn't, save in the right's fevered imagination, and of course, Faux News.
Don't you mean "Fox News"
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05 Jul 2021, 8:34 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Pepe wrote:
But on the flip side, the fanatical left shouldn't have burnt down entire building blocks, destroying the lives of people they purport to support.
Entire blocks? When and where did this happen?
It didn't, save in the right's fevered imagination, and of course, Faux News.
Don't you mean "Fox News"
It is called that, as well.
05 Jul 2021, 8:46 pm
Pepe wrote:
I'd hate to see what an angry protest is like. EEP!
Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell? Timothy McVeigh?
People keep trying to convince the world that Autists have empathy. I have to say, I am just not feeling it...
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