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Do you think parents should be allowed to file DNR on a child under the age of 16
YES 19%  19%  [ 16 ]
NO 81%  81%  [ 67 ]
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28 Jun 2009, 3:50 pm

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Poor little girl should have gotten better parents. They should "fix" hers so they can't have anymore kids. I hope the courts get involed and if I was her teacher I would have quit over being expected to watch while this sweet child dies.


As stated in my post above the courts overturned the ruling and the DNR is INVALIDATED. I didn't read enough of the paper thanks to mom spilling coffee on it as to where she was sent, probably re-adoption.


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28 Jun 2009, 3:53 pm

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In the heat of the moment topic

I remember this is one of the first threads I found when i first joined WP. i was impressed at the passion and empathy of young people who cared enough to post their opinions.

I remember when that young girl named Tracy, many years ago, was euthanized by her father because of "pain" due to CP. Her father spent at least 10 years in prison for manslaughter. Some people herald him as a hero, and some as a murderer. I still have no idea why he did not relinquish his parental responsibilities if he truly thought he could not bear to see Tracy "suffer".

The above is one story which we still continue to find closure. :roll:


Euthanasia is good in certain cases, like if YOU push the button on the Deliverance Machine while you are a 94 year old in ICU dying of pancreatic cancer that has metastatized, otherwise it should NEVER be used unless the person being killed is the person killing themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_device

the Deliverance Machine is quite cool actually!


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28 Jun 2009, 3:54 pm

sorry I missed that it wa a old post and I'm happy to here the court over turned this. :)



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24 May 2010, 8:14 pm

To quote a famous German, her Parents are "life unworthy of life." And speaking of Germans, your German friend could do a number on them with radiation, medical equipment used improperly, or an aluminum baseball bat.


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24 May 2010, 8:16 pm

Strapples wrote:
CRD wrote:
Poor little girl should have gotten better parents. They should "fix" hers so they can't have anymore kids. I hope the courts get involed and if I was her teacher I would have quit over being expected to watch while this sweet child dies.


As stated in my post above the courts overturned the ruling and the DNR is INVALIDATED. I didn't read enough of the paper thanks to mom spilling coffee on it as to where she was sent, probably re-adoption.


pulled up an archive she is now in a state protected facility for people with severe disabilities called Little Angels go to littleangels.org its a great place... DAMNIT I WANNA GO!


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25 May 2010, 12:42 am

Putting on my physician hat...

I would be highly reluctant to order a DNR for a person under the age of 18, unless I had some other basis on which to assess the ethical position of withholding care.

If, for example, I had been treating a young person with a degenerative, terminal condition, and had had the opportunity to understand this person's values, principles and beliefs, and if it was clear that these were the patients clearly expressed wishes, then I would feel myself to be on a firm footing in ordering a DNR.

On the other hand, if a patient's committee (the legal term in British Columbia for a person who is authorized under the Patients Property Act to make decisions for a person who is incapable of managing their own affairs) were to request such an order in a medical-ethical vacuum, I would very likely refuse it.

Regrettably, the physicians called upon most often to observe DNRs are not the same physicians who are called upon to make the orders.


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25 May 2010, 7:59 pm

She's cute


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25 May 2010, 10:00 pm

if she was 18 or 19 id call her MINE and run off with her :D


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26 May 2010, 3:47 am

I am glad she is in a place like Little Angels. I am like 'wow' as I look at the website. The only time I would want them to pull the plug is if I was completly brain dead.



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26 May 2010, 11:18 am

[quote="Thundaeagle"]I am glad she is in a place like Little Angels. I am like 'wow' as I look at the website. The only time I would want them to pull the plug is if I was completly brain dead.[/quote

my physical disability is just about severe enough to go there, just need to go lose more IQ points *bangs head on wall*


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28 May 2010, 7:31 pm

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i personally would like to lobby against that DNR upon this specific case and also have all further DNRs on a disabled child under the age of 16 denied and voided...


If you do i will help however i can!!



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28 May 2010, 7:45 pm

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Strapples wrote:
i personally would like to lobby against that DNR upon this specific case and also have all further DNRs on a disabled child under the age of 16 denied and voided...


If you do i will help however i can!!


lol read more of the thread it got overturned :D

but yeah i might start lobby against all disabled children under 16


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28 May 2010, 7:54 pm

I'm also pissed off.


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19 Oct 2011, 3:06 pm

Just another DNR story. a friend of mine was coaxed into signing a DNR on her daughter while she was dying in the hospital of seizures and the hospital said it would cost far too much and be far too debilitating for quality of life for her to be tracheostomied. Well the mother is devastated, traumatized forever. Not good... We have to have a universal law prohibiting it.


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19 Oct 2011, 9:02 pm

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Just another DNR story. a friend of mine was coaxed into signing a DNR on her daughter while she was dying in the hospital of seizures and the hospital said it would cost far too much and be far too debilitating for quality of life for her to be tracheostomied. Well the mother is devastated, traumatized forever. Not good... We have to have a universal law prohibiting it.


Hospitals and insurance companies only care about money and not about caring for people. That is why they like to take the cheap or more profitable way out. I would be a good idea to have universal law prohibiting DNR orders, and lock the people who oppose that law, in a room with food stealing Romanian orphanage workers armed with iron pipes and let them at it. You have an experience with a food stealing Romanian orphanage worker, than might have been partially the reason they way you are.


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20 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

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Hospitals and insurance companies only care about money and not about caring for people. That is why they like to take the cheap or more profitable way out. I would be a good idea to have universal law prohibiting DNR orders, and lock the people who oppose that law, in a room with food stealing Romanian orphanage workers armed with iron pipes and let them at it. You have an experience with a food stealing Romanian orphanage worker, than might have been partially the reason they way you are.


A prohibition against DNR orders? What kind of sadism is that?

I am a physician--my profession is healing. But not healing at all costs, and certainly not healing against the wishes of the patient.

There are cases where DNRs are appropriate for children, or patients unable to express their own wishes. But of necessity, these circumstances are exceptional. Where a decision to sign off a DNR has been properly made, then I am loath to second guess the people who know the patient best.


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