Autistic (Asperger) Student had 900 child porn collection

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24 Jul 2008, 10:55 am

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It is normal for adults to feel lust. Saying that pedophelia is driven by lust seems to be saying the true crime is lust, and that anyone who "suffers" from it should be castrated.


Just as in your example above, its not illegal to be an alcoholic. But when alcoholics drink and drive and run people over, then it becomes a crime.

The same is true of lust. When its just you and your gf getting consensually nasty, then its not usually a crime. When its pedophilia, then it is. And yes, lust is a main ingredient to pedophilia. Get rid of lust and you get rid of pedophilia. Castration gets rid of lust.

I am not castrated and have no need to be, but I have dealt with guys who were. They have absolutely NO sex drive or the ability to lust. They weren't pedophiles, but principle is the same. Can anyone name any castrated pedophile that hasn't been cured?
Presuambly this applies to all crimes potentially motivated by lust? Rape. Incest. Anal sex. Oral sex (at least in Georgia). Sexual harrasment. Underage sex. Possessing any "obscene" photo (of adults). Oddly, "sexual offenders" include peeing in public, being nude in public, or making offensive remarks. Better add those just to be safe. Guy runs out naked during a soccer match... Cut off his nads! (Should cut off his legs too, just to be on the safe side!)

I mean, you are saying someone who possesses a photo of anyone under 18 is a provocative pose should be castrated... Why stop there? Guess that's better than saying he should be tortured to death.

(I don't know anyone who is a repeat child offender, or anyone who has been castrated. I don't think that is a stastically valid sample.)



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24 Jul 2008, 11:03 am

arguing the death penalty for this has no basis other than emotional fulfillment, but claiming he did no wrong is similarly ridiculous.

sexual obsession with the underaged is dangerous, period. i know of pedophiles who manage to control themselves and even marry & have children, but that is such a minority of cases. by and large, human beings evolved to follow their sexual impulses, and this particular type of fetish tends to do a great deal of psychological/emotional damage.

and yes, the autism excuse is just terrible in this instance.

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24 Jul 2008, 11:07 am

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While most research to date has reviewed surgical castration in Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany and Iceland with reported recidivism rates down from 50% to below 5%, Texas has reported repeat offender rates of just 2.2% as compared to a national average of over 20% (the 20% is a low figure but was deduced from a short term study – longitudinal studies show much higher recidivism rates).
Since castrations are perfomed voluntarily, this is not conclusive. This article also does not make it clear whether "sexual offenders" are rapists or child molesters (or other lesser offences). The article makes the distiction as between rapist and child molester as whether the victim was 16 or younger or 17 or older (I would consider an appropriate age (a scientific study should use biological maturity of the victim) as being between 12 and 14). The importance there is that rape is more likley to be a crime of lust, and not a deeper compulsion. However, it does seem to effective. But it is not 100%.

http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/Articles/sexoffenders.htm



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24 Jul 2008, 11:11 am

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arguing the death penalty for this has no basis other than emotional fulfillment, but claiming he did no wrong is similarly ridiculous.

sexual obsession with the underaged is dangerous, period. i know of pedophiles who manage to control themselves and even marry & have children, but that is such a minority of cases. by and large, human beings evolved to follow their sexual impulses, and this particular type of fetish tends to do a great deal of psychological/emotional damage.

and yes, the autism excuse is just terrible in this instance.

-josh
"Sexual obsession" (or fetish) has not been established. That is the relevancy of Autism. The Court believes he is not "sexually obsessed" with minors, but was obsessed with a collection. If he was not sexually obsessed, his only crime was breaking the technical law, and providing support towards websites that distribute this material (see Larree's earlier rational statements).



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24 Jul 2008, 11:11 am

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Look. If you are collecting sick pictures of children, you are a pedophile. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.
Look. If you drive a car, you endanger children. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.


That is ret*d.
Glad we finally agree.



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24 Jul 2008, 11:11 am

I agree to rash reflection. Most or many incest or rape victims dont even report their crime.
Someone needs to put a stop to it n perhaps lesser evil gettin caught in the ring but WHO CARES
Some one has to put a stop them n arguing others wise is extremely pathetic.



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24 Jul 2008, 11:58 am

roguetech wrote:
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Look. If you are collecting sick pictures of children, you are a pedophile. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.
Look. If you drive a car, you endanger children. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.


That is ret*d.
Glad we finally agree.


No. Not at all. Perhaps I should have been a little more blunt. YOU are ret*d.



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24 Jul 2008, 12:02 pm

Who would want to agree with paedophiles
No not me
No not I
No not ....?????????
YOUR OUT NUMBERED
So HAHAAA



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24 Jul 2008, 12:13 pm

roguetech wrote:
Larree wrote:
Look. If you are collecting sick pictures of children, you are a pedophile. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.
Look. If you drive a car, you endanger children. Period. End of arguement. And you deserve to fry for it.


Not a good comparison since some people don't drink and drive. Child pornography is directly aimed at children while alchohol can be an addiction for some and not for others that's another arguement in itself that is comletely different from addiction targeted at children.


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24 Jul 2008, 12:27 pm

roguetech wrote:
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Im not listeninnngg..................
I noticeeedd.................. But, I know you will never listen, since you can not see past your own hatred. You won't until you can let your anger go and let yourself heal... But that's not something I can argue you into believing.


RT, it's your ambiguity on this topic of kiddie porn that bothers me. George W. Bush had a good saying: "If you are not with us, you are are against us."

This is a black & white issue and it calls for black & white thinking. Nothing in the gray.



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24 Jul 2008, 12:51 pm

SIXLUCY wrote:
Who would want to agree with paedophiles
No not me
No not I
No not ....?????????
YOUR OUT NUMBERED
So HAHAAA
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RT, it's your ambiguity on this topic of kiddie porn that bothers me. George W. Bush had a good saying: "If you are not with us, you are are against us."

This is a black & white issue and it calls for black & white thinking. Nothing in the gray.
Lukily, the justice system, although often devolves to such populist notions, strives to rise above it, and still uses justice as the ideal.



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24 Jul 2008, 12:53 pm

*facepalm*



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24 Jul 2008, 12:59 pm

Im not embarrased cause THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT
Men always read the wrong way
I meant that like me n Mscontrue n many others agree with me so the few that keep tryin to some how justify it ARE OUT NUMBERED
SO SHUT UP



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24 Jul 2008, 1:03 pm

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Not a good comparison since some people don't drink and drive. Child pornography is directly aimed at children while alchohol can be an addiction for some and not for others that's another arguement in itself that is comletely different from addiction targeted at children.
Obviously an arguement meant to make a point, and not in favor of the death penalty for drivers. Driving a car while intoxicated certainly raises the risks of an accident (as does talking on a cell, talking to a passenger, and changing the radio station), but only increases the risk. Though cars are not "aimed at children", they are dangerous not just for adults, but children as well.

The main flaw in the arguement, is the benifit to society of using cars outweighs the harm, which can not be said of child porn (despite a person looking at child porn being at no risk of "accidentally" molesting a child). Just because there is a risk to children does not mean something should be subject to the death penalty (or even illegal).



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24 Jul 2008, 1:10 pm

Zero tolerance for all makers/publishers/purveyors/admirers of child pornography. It's the kids who are victimized here, not the pornographers. It's not the pornographers who need the protection of the law, it's the kids. This should be such a simple equation, but for reasons unknown it isn't. If you view/download kiddie porn, you qualify as one of the abd guys.

Still looking at you, roguetech. You must not have any children of your own.



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24 Jul 2008, 1:16 pm

Roguetech you absouletly infuriate me
Im goin befor I smash the computr n keyboard over someones head
I wisj\h