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15 Feb 2009, 10:25 pm

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We seem to be missing the point again that the employee's behavior reflects on the employer. It's a matter of image. Someone wanting to pray is not a problem - someone offering prayer while representing the NHS is a little different. It's obviously a personal matter, but we can't assume everyone will separate the two. The NHS has every right to restrict non-work behaviors during work time, just as they may impose dress codes or other restrictions on how a person appears or behaves. I'm not saying they should be able to control every aspect of their employees and turn them into drones, but the fact is that we don't complain about these things as long as they fit our own views. As soon as one rubs us the wrong way, then it's discrimination.

For an atheist, having to separate religion from work is exactly like the expectation that we don't go around swearing at clients. Or a dress code requiring clean, presentable clothes. It's easy to follow and just makes good sense. It's simple enough and prudent to keep your mouth shut about things that don't relate to what you're doing. If you can't do that, maybe you're in the wrong job. You don't expect your car salesman to pray for you because you just want a car. You don't expect your nurse to pray for you because you just want medical care (unless you want spirit healing). And the fact that the two can and are conflated in the latter example just demonstrates the greater danger of allowing them to mix in the workplace.


I swear at my "clients" all the time. One of my co-workers is a fully paid-up Christian. He swears at them too (albeit not as well.) Nobody takes issue with his religion, or my lack thereof. In fact, he even played the organ-music at my bosses wedding, at the funerals of two of my bosses children, and will be playing it again at he funeral of our old manageress. If anything, his religion has been welcomed. It should have no bearing on anything, and indeed it does not. Nor should the religion of this woman, as she has never neglected her duties, nor done anything to bring her employer into disrepute, except in the views of the petty-minded who are incapable of a "live and let live" attitude.


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16 Feb 2009, 2:58 am

Macbeth wrote:
WurdBendur wrote:
We seem to be missing the point again that the employee's behavior reflects on the employer. It's a matter of image. Someone wanting to pray is not a problem - someone offering prayer while representing the NHS is a little different. It's obviously a personal matter, but we can't assume everyone will separate the two. The NHS has every right to restrict non-work behaviors during work time, just as they may impose dress codes or other restrictions on how a person appears or behaves. I'm not saying they should be able to control every aspect of their employees and turn them into drones, but the fact is that we don't complain about these things as long as they fit our own views. As soon as one rubs us the wrong way, then it's discrimination.

For an atheist, having to separate religion from work is exactly like the expectation that we don't go around swearing at clients. Or a dress code requiring clean, presentable clothes. It's easy to follow and just makes good sense. It's simple enough and prudent to keep your mouth shut about things that don't relate to what you're doing. If you can't do that, maybe you're in the wrong job. You don't expect your car salesman to pray for you because you just want a car. You don't expect your nurse to pray for you because you just want medical care (unless you want spirit healing). And the fact that the two can and are conflated in the latter example just demonstrates the greater danger of allowing them to mix in the workplace.


I swear at my "clients" all the time. One of my co-workers is a fully paid-up Christian. He swears at them too (albeit not as well.) Nobody takes issue with his religion, or my lack thereof. In fact, he even played the organ-music at my bosses wedding, at the funerals of two of my bosses children, and will be playing it again at he funeral of our old manageress. If anything, his religion has been welcomed. It should have no bearing on anything, and indeed it does not. Nor should the religion of this woman, as she has never neglected her duties, nor done anything to bring her employer into disrepute, except in the views of the petty-minded who are incapable of a "live and let live" attitude.


Swearing at clientele at most establishments is a reason for dismissal or loss of contract from the clientele.


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16 Feb 2009, 7:27 am

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Swearing at clientele at most establishments is a reason for dismissal or loss of contract from the clientele.



I'm lucky. I work in one of the few areas where the customer is always wrong.


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16 Feb 2009, 7:40 am

Macbeth wrote:
Xelebes wrote:

Swearing at clientele at most establishments is a reason for dismissal or loss of contract from the clientele.



I'm lucky. I work in one of the few areas where the customer is always wrong.


And what area is that?



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16 Feb 2009, 7:26 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Xelebes wrote:

Swearing at clientele at most establishments is a reason for dismissal or loss of contract from the clientele.



I'm lucky. I work in one of the few areas where the customer is always wrong.


And what area is that?


Alcohol retail. By definition, after the first sale, the customer becomes less and less capable.


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16 Feb 2009, 8:01 pm

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Macbeth, this is my last response to you. Clearly you deliberately misread my posts - I don't know why, perhaps for 'fun'. You clearly fail to understand the issue.
'congratulations, you have just made most of the world unemployable'...?
So, most of the worlds population now seeks to be exclusively employed in nursing...?
Make sense!
I will point you to LKL's post; namely, read the article!
Restricting people WHO CHOOSE certain sets of philosophies from enacting them/being employed in A CERTAIN FIELD! - is not some sort of neo-Nazi conspiracy!
Please, act mature and respect the nature of debate!
I call you fool not as insult, but practical application of dictionary term!
This is not a discussion on religion itself; but religions place within certain environments and fields of employment, as brought to evidence by the story of one staff member!
Keep your "western" opinions otherwise to yourself; what the devil do you believe the culture or Australia to be?! Bah! I cannot take you seriously.
Don't bother to respond, unless you can respect the purpose of a forum. I'll simply ignore you.
Good day, fool.


Why aren't you banned yet?



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18 Feb 2009, 3:28 am

Funny, my first guess for areas where the client is always wrong was tech support.


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18 Feb 2009, 3:58 am

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Funny, my first guess for areas where the client is always wrong was tech support.


Good guess, but sometimes the clients are better informed than the noobs working for the company, and you arent allowed to call the clients pissed imbeciles.


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18 Feb 2009, 10:08 am

Macbeth wrote:
WurdBendur wrote:
Funny, my first guess for areas where the client is always wrong was tech support.


Good guess, but sometimes the clients are better informed than the noobs working for the company, and you arent allowed to call the clients pissed imbeciles.


well. . . I always refer to the 'short between the keyboard and the chair'. . .or perhaps send them looking for the I D 10 T cable. :roll:

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18 Feb 2009, 11:32 pm

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Good guess, but sometimes the clients are better informed than the noobs working for the company, and you arent allowed to call the clients pissed imbeciles.


They're still wrong as a matter of policy. And of course that's one job where you can't swear, though most techies want to.


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19 Feb 2009, 4:08 am

The company's the scum of the Earth --- they fired an Aspie for no good reason! Sigh