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11 Nov 2023, 11:22 am

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Most Isrealis don't believe in the two state solution too,
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230 ... -israelis/



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11 Nov 2023, 11:19 pm

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The head of Lebanon's powerful Hezbollah party said on Saturday that its armed wing had used new types of weapons and struck new targets in Israel, and pledged that the front against its sworn enemy would remain active.

It was Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah's second speech since the war between Israel and Hamas began in October. In his first, he said there was a possibility of fighting on the Lebanese front turning into a fully-fledged war.

On Saturday, in a televised address, he said Hezbollah had shown "a quantitative improvement in the number of operations, the size and the number of targets, as well as an increase in the type of weapons".

He said it had used a "Burkan" missile that carries an explosive payload of 300-500 kg, as well as weaponised drones for the first time.

Nasrallah said the group had also struck the northern Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona for the first time in retaliation for an Israeli air strike that killed three girls and their grandmother this month.

"This front will remain active," he pledged.

Soon after, Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told troops near the Israel-Lebanon border: "Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into a war that might happen.

"It is making mistakes and ... those who will pay the price are first and foremost Lebanon's citizens. What we are doing in Gaza we can do in Beirut."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-11-11/



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12 Nov 2023, 1:57 am

Huh, just received this text from a group against dragging us to war

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They are promoting the « #لبنان_لا_يريد_الحرب" hashtags which translates to « Lebanon doesn’t want war ».

That FB group is showing pics of previous wars, with captions like « Not to repeat history »… etc

https://bit.ly/3Qy201U

Hashtags, petitions…etc those things are useless; and to be fair it is not entirely true that « Lebanon does not want war »; its half population (52% parliament representation) don’t want war; but the other camp headed by Hezbollah and some of his local allies seem to want it and even eager for it (his Christian ally « FPM » declared is not in favor to war tho and they don’t call themselves part of «  the Axis » (or locally called 8th Alloance), their leader is just one hypocrite typical racist politician benefiting from an electoral alliance, but I bet he would be the first one to escape with his diapers on if war sets off).

There had been a lot of local talk (still didn’t get any international attention) of a two states solution *in Lebanon* or federal or partition of any time in order to get rid of Hezbollah’s grip on foreign policy and the whole state-in-state affair.

Hezbollah self-alienated themselves culturally too much to the point that I don’t think they can coexist with other factions. The devil is in the details, but I can tell that Hezbollah’s people (Yes I am talking about their people, not the leadership only) are one of the most brainwashed, filled with hatred, filled with hate, filled with superiority complex (over all others in Lebanon), radicalized groups in the world; I would hate to say this, but I personally know no Hezbollah supporter who I can call a sane person. I would say they are people who are incapable to coexist with others unless you totally submit to their will, they have zero tolerance of diversity and anyone critical to their policies would quickly be labeled as “pro-Zionist”; yes, they label the whole 52% parliament representation as “Pro-Zionism.”

There’s a religious component to their insanity, Hezbollah belongs to the Twelvers Shia faction who endorses the Wali-Al-Faqih faith; meaning they view the Grand Ayatollah Khamenei as a direct representative of God hence their full allegiance to the current Iranian regime.
(their other local ally Twelever Shia party, Amal, for instance don’t believe in Wali el Faqih for instance.
Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani’s Shias in Iraq (whom his alliance won the last electoral majority but not the actualcpower!!) don’t endorse this faith and are actually critical to Iranian’s interference, Azerbaijan’s Shias don’t endorse this either)

Iran’ regime and Hezbolah… is a *Doomsday cult*; they endorse a belief that is extremely similar to the Christian Baptist’s antichrist/rupture thing, their endtime story revolves around the « return » of two Messiahs (Al-Mahdi and… yes, Jesus) and the AntiChrist; they believe those two men will return and Jesus (as man) will rule the world and destroy the AntiChrist and then Jesus will “destroy the cross and slay the pig” in some temple; I think this was added as refutation to the trinity.
Some claim that Israel is the actual AntiChrist. That’s why Hezbollah people believe that it’s a holy duty to fight Israel till end of times until the appearance of their Mehdi+Jesus and the AntiChrist. They believe that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards + Hezbollah + the other Iranian militias will be the backbone of the Mahdi/Jesus’s army against the world’s tyrants.

Iran/Hezbollah succeeded to promote this belief in the local Shia community via their schools and mosques; they converted a lot of the community into Pro Wali-Al-Faqih Shias.


We do know that most assassinations between 2004-present were carried on by Hezbollah since the Hariri assassination got proven in the special international court https://www.stl-tsl.org/en by evidences pointing to Hezbollah members. The aim of all these assassinations of politicians/journalists was clearly to weaken the anti-war position.

The two-states idea is gaining support among the no-war camp, especially among the Christians; but I have heard from most Sunna and Druze not wanting any war soon as well and are open to the two states solutions too.
Hezbollah is of course against any partition of Lebanon; of course, a typical abuser never easily accepts a divorce.
If Hezbollah continues shooting missiles at Israel and drags us to another full-fledged war, then I guess this would be the last straw for a civil war to erupt too.


I know that cyberdad would enjoy the above post; my only beef with him is that he’s too one-sided; he totally ignores the radicalism on the Israeli side.
Aside from that, sadly, a lot of what he says about Hamas and Hezbollah (and THEIR people) is…. true; yes, in our war-torn region voters do carry some responsibility of their own destruction, that still doesn’t justify the deliberate killings of kids in Gaza or South Lebanon; but yes a lot of their parents do also carry some blood on their hands due to their voting choices for years. They were totally aware that their political choice is a non-ending war choice and enabling Iran to make a war tool of them.
Don’t believe the media, Lebanon’s system is totally democratic since the end of Syrian occupation on 2005, there’s no gun pointing at you when voting behind the curtain. And yes Hamas/Hezbollah do attempt to use people as human shields, tho this never worked much.

Nasrallah is not telling the whole story of the three girls and their grandmother

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-11-06/

The were two cars one tailing the other, the front car had their uncle the « Journalist » Samir Ayoub (never heard od him before the massacre), is a Hezbollah fella. He made the three girls play around the car before moving the convoy (it is really not the time to play there); apparently he knew he was being monitored by Israel in that border area; and was hoping they will shield the convoy, this didn’t work apparently to… them.
Him AND Israel are to be blamed for their deaths.



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12 Nov 2023, 2:51 am

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Solution should be: two states + UNIFEL and multinational forces in the middle + a big thick wall.

A two state solution is never going to happen, and the reason has to do with the Palestinian view of their situation. For the Palestinians, a two state solution would mean conceding part of their ancestral homeland to the Jews in perpetuity. They have already shown that they will never accept this. They WILL accept a two state solution only as an interim stage to regaining control of ALL of Palestine. A solution imposed on them by the UN would make that difficult, and the UN is never going to impose such a solution because the UN is dominated by people for whom Zionism is a movement that must be eradicated. I will add that the Palestinians have become so intransigent in their beliefs, because from every direction they get the message that the world supports them in this. Compare them to the Germans, who lost the Eastern third of their territory in WWII and have come to accept this. Not to mention the Mexicans, who lost a huge chunk of the Northern part of their country to the US and for some reason seem to have come to terms with that, despite having no reason to think they deserved that (unlike the Germans!). But the Palestinians know the world will always support their eternal commitment to regaining all of their territorial heritage.

Many Israelis would trade away some of those parts of Palestine they now control for a guarantee of peace, and many feel no love for settlers in the West Bank. Probably fewer than might have been the case 50 years ago, but after so many decades, the level of cynicism is very high. A life spent in Israel has beaten it out of them, so it's easy to find people in Israel who will express extremely inhumane views on Palestinians.


Nope, both sides have hardcore stubborns https://twitter.com/1b2_r/status/172294 ... 94184?s=21



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12 Nov 2023, 5:43 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MaxE wrote:
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Solution should be: two states + UNIFEL and multinational forces in the middle + a big thick wall.

A two state solution is never going to happen, and the reason has to do with the Palestinian view of their situation. For the Palestinians, a two state solution would mean conceding part of their ancestral homeland to the Jews in perpetuity. They have already shown that they will never accept this. They WILL accept a two state solution only as an interim stage to regaining control of ALL of Palestine. A solution imposed on them by the UN would make that difficult, and the UN is never going to impose such a solution because the UN is dominated by people for whom Zionism is a movement that must be eradicated. I will add that the Palestinians have become so intransigent in their beliefs, because from every direction they get the message that the world supports them in this. Compare them to the Germans, who lost the Eastern third of their territory in WWII and have come to accept this. Not to mention the Mexicans, who lost a huge chunk of the Northern part of their country to the US and for some reason seem to have come to terms with that, despite having no reason to think they deserved that (unlike the Germans!). But the Palestinians know the world will always support their eternal commitment to regaining all of their territorial heritage.

Many Israelis would trade away some of those parts of Palestine they now control for a guarantee of peace, and many feel no love for settlers in the West Bank. Probably fewer than might have been the case 50 years ago, but after so many decades, the level of cynicism is very high. A life spent in Israel has beaten it out of them, so it's easy to find people in Israel who will express EXTREMELY INHUMANE views on Palestinians.


Nope, both sides have hardcore stubborns https://twitter.com/1b2_r/status/172294 ... 94184?s=21

Not sure what you're saying I'm wrong about. I said SOME Israelis support a 2-state solution (as they believe it would lead to peace which they want), and I think I implied there are fewer of them today than there were decades ago. By now most Israelis may in fact be what you call "hardcore stubborns". I don't think anything I said suggested otherwise. Perhaps there was a problem with my emphasis.


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12 Nov 2023, 6:37 am

MaxE wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MaxE wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Solution should be: two states + UNIFEL and multinational forces in the middle + a big thick wall.

A two state solution is never going to happen, and the reason has to do with the Palestinian view of their situation. For the Palestinians, a two state solution would mean conceding part of their ancestral homeland to the Jews in perpetuity. They have already shown that they will never accept this. They WILL accept a two state solution only as an interim stage to regaining control of ALL of Palestine. A solution imposed on them by the UN would make that difficult, and the UN is never going to impose such a solution because the UN is dominated by people for whom Zionism is a movement that must be eradicated. I will add that the Palestinians have become so intransigent in their beliefs, because from every direction they get the message that the world supports them in this. Compare them to the Germans, who lost the Eastern third of their territory in WWII and have come to accept this. Not to mention the Mexicans, who lost a huge chunk of the Northern part of their country to the US and for some reason seem to have come to terms with that, despite having no reason to think they deserved that (unlike the Germans!). But the Palestinians know the world will always support their eternal commitment to regaining all of their territorial heritage.

Many Israelis would trade away some of those parts of Palestine they now control for a guarantee of peace, and many feel no love for settlers in the West Bank. Probably fewer than might have been the case 50 years ago, but after so many decades, the level of cynicism is very high. A life spent in Israel has beaten it out of them, so it's easy to find people in Israel who will express EXTREMELY INHUMANE views on Palestinians.


Nope, both sides have hardcore stubborns https://twitter.com/1b2_r/status/172294 ... 94184?s=21

Not sure what you're saying I'm wrong about. I said SOME Israelis support a 2-state solution (as they believe it would lead to peace which they want), and I think I implied there are fewer of them today than there were decades ago. By now most Israelis may in fact be what you call "hardcore stubborns". I don't think anything I said suggested otherwise. Perhaps there was a problem with my emphasis.


I know you mean some Isrealis, but it's not true that most accept a 2-state solution according to polls:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230 ... -israelis/



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12 Nov 2023, 6:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MaxE wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MaxE wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Solution should be: two states + UNIFEL and multinational forces in the middle + a big thick wall.

A two state solution is never going to happen, and the reason has to do with the Palestinian view of their situation. For the Palestinians, a two state solution would mean conceding part of their ancestral homeland to the Jews in perpetuity. They have already shown that they will never accept this. They WILL accept a two state solution only as an interim stage to regaining control of ALL of Palestine. A solution imposed on them by the UN would make that difficult, and the UN is never going to impose such a solution because the UN is dominated by people for whom Zionism is a movement that must be eradicated. I will add that the Palestinians have become so intransigent in their beliefs, because from every direction they get the message that the world supports them in this. Compare them to the Germans, who lost the Eastern third of their territory in WWII and have come to accept this. Not to mention the Mexicans, who lost a huge chunk of the Northern part of their country to the US and for some reason seem to have come to terms with that, despite having no reason to think they deserved that (unlike the Germans!). But the Palestinians know the world will always support their eternal commitment to regaining all of their territorial heritage.

Many Israelis would trade away some of those parts of Palestine they now control for a guarantee of peace, and many feel no love for settlers in the West Bank. Probably fewer than might have been the case 50 years ago, but after so many decades, the level of cynicism is very high. A life spent in Israel has beaten it out of them, so it's easy to find people in Israel who will express EXTREMELY INHUMANE views on Palestinians.


Nope, both sides have hardcore stubborns https://twitter.com/1b2_r/status/172294 ... 94184?s=21

Not sure what you're saying I'm wrong about. I said SOME Israelis support a 2-state solution (as they believe it would lead to peace which they want), and I think I implied there are fewer of them today than there were decades ago. By now most Israelis may in fact be what you call "hardcore stubborns". I don't think anything I said suggested otherwise. Perhaps there was a problem with my emphasis.


I know you mean some Isrealis, but it's not true that most accept a 2-state solution according to polls:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230 ... -israelis/

Sorry to be so argumentive, but I said MOST Israelis may be "hard-core stubborns" which, if true, implies they DON'T support a 2 state solution, so I don't think I ever suggested most do. I said many do, but didn't give any numbers. The reason being that such a solution, if successful, would bring peace. Whereas to Palestinians, it would be a form of surrender. Which is why the Camp David summit failed, as I understand it. But I have no idea about numbers and would probably distrust any numbers you gave me simply because everything out there seems to be some kind of propaganda.


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12 Nov 2023, 9:24 am

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Sorry to be so argumentive, but I said MOST Israelis may be "hard-core stubborns" which, if true, implies they DON'T support a 2 state solution, so I don't think I ever suggested most do. I said many do, but didn't give any numbers. The reason being that such a solution, if successful, would bring peace. Whereas to Palestinians, it would be a form of surrender. Which is why the Camp David summit failed, as I understand it. But I have no idea about numbers and would probably distrust any numbers you gave me simply because everything out there seems to be some kind of propaganda.

The findings of the researchers regarding Israeli opinion of a 2 state solution were fairly consistent with Pew Research from April 2023 although the surveys were somewhat different in scope.
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According to the Pew Research Center's survey, a growing number of Israelis are beginning to doubt the feasibility of a two-state solution, with only 35% of respondents believing that a peaceful coexistence between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.

This marks a 15 percentage point decrease from a decade ago, and the lowest figures to date.

There are also large divides along ideological lines: 73% of Israelis on the political left say a way can be found for two states to coexist, compared with 53% of those in the center and 14% of those on the right.

Notably, the sentiment against a two-state solution has significantly shifted among the Arab Israelis compared to the Jewish Israelis.
Arab Israelis are now 33% less likely to believe in this approach compared to 2013. Their Jewish counterparts are 14% less likely to see this possibility in the same time period.

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https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/15/two ... acks-surve

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -solution/

I suspect that the percentage is so low on the Israeli right due to ideological reasons.

I think most people in Israel AND Palestine want peace and freedom from oppression.



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12 Nov 2023, 8:23 pm

Doctors at Gaza’s biggest hospital say newborns are dying after facility goes ‘out of service’

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Newborns and other patients at Gaza’s largest hospital are dying as power fails and resources run out, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, which said at least 35 babies born prematurely face possible “death at any moment.”

Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City has been “out of service” since Saturday morning, according to the ministry, as heavy bombardment and intense fighting outside the complex cause power outages amid a fuel shortage.

The Health Ministry said in a statement that three babies have died over the weekend, as well as more than 10 other patients. Muneer Al-Boursh, the Health Ministry’s general director, spoke about the deaths in a phone interview and confirmed that hundreds of patients were still in the hospital.

Dr. Marwan Abusada, a surgeon at the hospital who is also the head of international cooperation at the Health Ministry, said Saturday that one infant died “because we did not have electricity.” He confirmed the deaths of two more babies Sunday in a phone call.

He said 36 others were at risk: “If they stay in this condition, they are going to all die.”

The challenges for Gaza’s hospitals continue to mount: As fighting has intensified, ambulances have come under fire, power is going out, and dead bodies have piled up in an overwhelming surge of patients.

The majority of the enclave’s hospitals are out of service, according to the Palestinian health minister. Al-Quds hospital in Gaza City joined the list Sunday, the Palestine Red Crescent Society said, and it is no longer operational.

The Israel Defense Forces announced Sunday that it would open evacuation routes from Al-Shifa and two other hospitals in Gaza City: Al-Rantisi and Al-Nasr. In a statement, the IDF said soldiers “opened and secured a passage which enables the civilian population to evacuate, on foot and by ambulances” from the three facilities.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said at a briefing Saturday that staff members at Al-Shifa had “requested that tomorrow we help the babies in the pediatric department to get to a safer hospital.”

Asked Sunday whether the IDF had assisted hospital staffers in transferring the babies to a safer hospital, a spokesperson said civilians in Gaza were requested to temporarily evacuate to the south of Wadi Gaza, "to stay away from the areas of most intense fighting."

Abusada said he was not aware of anyone at the hospital, patients or otherwise, who had left the facility Sunday. He said fighting outside made it impossible. Dr. Ahmed El Mokhallalati, a plastic surgeon at Al-Shifa hospital, similarly said he was not aware of anyone who had yet been able to evacuate.

Meanwhile, images from Al-Shifa show an increasingly dire scene. Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor who has worked in hospitals in Gaza for years and is in Cairo, shared a photo that Abusada sent him during a rare moment of internet access.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said at a briefing Saturday that staff members at Al-Shifa had “requested that tomorrow we help the babies in the pediatric department to get to a safer hospital.”

Asked Sunday whether the IDF had assisted hospital staffers in transferring the babies to a safer hospital, a spokesperson said civilians in Gaza were requested to temporarily evacuate to the south of Wadi Gaza, "to stay away from the areas of most intense fighting."

Abusada said he was not aware of anyone at the hospital, patients or otherwise, who had left the facility Sunday. He said fighting outside made it impossible. Dr. Ahmed El Mokhallalati, a plastic surgeon at Al-Shifa hospital, similarly said he was not aware of anyone who had yet been able to evacuate.

Meanwhile, images from Al-Shifa show an increasingly dire scene. Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor who has worked in hospitals in Gaza for years and is in Cairo, shared a photo that Abusada sent him during a rare moment of internet access.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said at a briefing Saturday that staff members at Al-Shifa had “requested that tomorrow we help the babies in the pediatric department to get to a safer hospital.”

Asked Sunday whether the IDF had assisted hospital staffers in transferring the babies to a safer hospital, a spokesperson said civilians in Gaza were requested to temporarily evacuate to the south of Wadi Gaza, "to stay away from the areas of most intense fighting."

Abusada said he was not aware of anyone at the hospital, patients or otherwise, who had left the facility Sunday. He said fighting outside made it impossible. Dr. Ahmed El Mokhallalati, a plastic surgeon at Al-Shifa hospital, similarly said he was not aware of anyone who had yet been able to evacuate.

Meanwhile, images from Al-Shifa show an increasingly dire scene. Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor who has worked in hospitals in Gaza for years and is in Cairo, shared a photo that Abusada sent him during a rare moment of internet access.

“We know this is very risky, as they have very high chances of going into infection and sepsis,” he said.


Netanyahu discusses possible hostage deal, Gaza governance and war crime allegations in interview
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Netanyahu told “Meet the Press” that there “could be” a potential hostage deal with Hamas but declined to give any further details, saying doing so could thwart the delicate negotiations to free those taken captive by the militant group. “I think the less I say about it, the more I’ll increase the chances that it materializes,” he said in the interview.

Asked by host Kristen Welker about how close Israel was to getting the hostages out, Netanyahu said that no deal had been close until his forces began the ground operation in Gaza.

“We heard that there was an impending deal of this kind or of that kind and then we learned that it was all hokum. But the minute we started the ground operation that began to change,” he said.

Pressed again by Welker on whether there is a potential deal to release more hostages, Netanyahu replied: “There could be.”

Any deal, was “the result of pressure, military pressure,” he said, before praising the work of the Israel Defense Forces. “That’s the one thing that might create a deal and if a deal is available. Well, we will talk about it when it’s there. We’ll announce it if it’s achievable,” he said.

Asked if he knew where all the hostages were being held right now, Netanyahu said: “We know a great deal, but I won’t go beyond that.”

A Biden administration official confirmed to NBC News on Sunday that a possible deal for the release of hostages was being discussed.

This would see the release of about 80 women and children in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and teenagers held by Israel, the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said.

They added that the U.S. is also exploring other options and there is no certainty that any of them will succeed.

Netanyahu said that a “different authority” must govern Gaza, but he declined to say if he would accept an international force to control the region once the war with Hamas is over. The U.S. has said it would oppose an Israeli postwar occupation of Gaza.

Pressed to clarify what he meant by his call for a “different” administration to govern Gaza, Netanyahu said: “I think it's too early to say.”

The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk last week accused both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes.

Asked on “Meet the Press” how many civilians have been killed since Hamas launched its attack on Israel on Oct. 7, Netanyahu disputed the death toll numbers by Gaza officials, whom he called “Hamas officials,” and blamed Hamas for civilian deaths.

It’s lower than theirs,” he said, before claiming that Israel has seen “a steady decline” in the number of civilian deaths as its ground operation in Gaza proceeds because “people understand that they have to clear the way, and they leave.”

Netanyahu told “Meet the Press” that his country offered fuel to Gaza’s Al-Shifa hospital last night, but it was “refused.”


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13 Nov 2023, 7:17 am

Every day I go to the BBC News website the top headline is something about hospitals in Gaza. FFS. There's a lot more to the war and the humanitarian crisis, whether you're sympathetic to the Palestinians or not.

I seriously thinking of quitting reading the BBC over this, which leaves with basically nowhere to get news. The reason I was getting my news from the BBC was because it was better than the American cable news networks, but this is Headline News level stuff.



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13 Nov 2023, 1:37 pm

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Every day I go to the BBC News website the top headline is something about hospitals in Gaza. FFS. There's a lot more to the war and the humanitarian crisis, whether you're sympathetic to the Palestinians or not.

I seriously thinking of quitting reading the BBC over this, which leaves with basically nowhere to get news. The reason I was getting my news from the BBC was because it was better than the American cable news networks, but this is Headline News level stuff.

I don't agree, I think until Israel stops attacking hospitals and medics (and members of the press etc.) that should be the only thing the press talks about. Embarrassing Israel is the most important job in the world right now, and any journalist who tells the truth about the IDF and what they do is literally risking their lives.



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13 Nov 2023, 1:41 pm

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Once the world stops ignoring Israel committing actual war crimes, I wonder if Netanyahu & co will even be tried. Considering how UN voting on the USA's embargo on Cuba went, I doubt it, sadly.


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13 Nov 2023, 3:37 pm

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I don't agree, I think until Israel stops attacking hospitals and medics (and members of the press etc.) that should be the only thing the press talks about. Embarrassing Israel is the most important job in the world right now, .


Yes I agree, the press might embarrass Israel to stop bombing and it also shows all sides of this story and all parties effected
Including some innocent people who have no part in this conflict being dragged into it
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/12112349 ... lamophobia
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/a ... tests.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/r ... 31751.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/1 ... ate-crime/



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13 Nov 2023, 3:48 pm

If I had been killed or kidnapped on 10/7 I wouldn't want my country bombing hospitals in my name.
I'd be horrified.

It's a dishonour to all souls lost.


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Joined: 16 Jun 2023
Gender: Male
Posts: 317
Location: Florida

13 Nov 2023, 4:35 pm

MushroomPrincess wrote:
I don't agree, I think until Israel stops attacking hospitals and medics (and members of the press etc.) that should be the only thing the press talks about. Embarrassing Israel is the most important job in the world right now, and any journalist who tells the truth about the IDF and what they do is literally risking their lives.


You and I have very different ideas about the responsibilities of the news media, I think.