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16 Nov 2023, 9:14 pm

No one here is saying that they should do nothing.


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16 Nov 2023, 11:16 pm

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Personally, I don't believe their goal is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible, but rather that they're perfectly fine with causing deaths as part of a broader strategy to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland.

Likud is descended from the terrorists who were directly responsible for mass murder of Palestinian civilians during the 40s. It's not that far-fetched to see their current policies as a continuation of those of Irgun, only by different means.


I'm actually okay with them kicking the Palestinians out at this point, call it whatever you want to but I actually think they'd be better off somewhere else, preferably with some compensation money in their pockets.

As to the roots of Likud in the Irgun, don't you find it fascinating that many of the more generous peace offerings that Israel has made over the years have come from members of that party, including Menachem Begin (leader of the Irgun) and Ariel Sharon?


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16 Nov 2023, 11:39 pm

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I googled "soyjak Chad" just now, and saw some stuff about "memes," but I am totally lost as to what these memes are all about, much less their relevance to the issue at hand. And I suspect I'm far from the only person here who is unfamiliar with whatever online subculture these memes are a part of. Could you please explain?


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16 Nov 2023, 11:40 pm

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As far as I can tell, this would not be acceptable to the vast majority of Palestinians, nor would it be acceptable to the vast majority of the world's Muslims to allow this to happen. (Nor, I suspect, would it be acceptable to the Catholic Church to allow all of Palestine's traditional Christians to be expelled.)


And? If Israel just decides to rip the bandage off, who's going to stop them and how?


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17 Nov 2023, 3:32 am

Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Personally, I don't believe their goal is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible, but rather that they're perfectly fine with causing deaths as part of a broader strategy to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland.

Likud is descended from the terrorists who were directly responsible for mass murder of Palestinian civilians during the 40s. It's not that far-fetched to see their current policies as a continuation of those of Irgun, only by different means.


I'm actually okay with them kicking the Palestinians out at this point, call it whatever you want to but I actually think they'd be better off somewhere else, preferably with some compensation money in their pockets.

As to the roots of Likud in the Irgun, don't you find it fascinating that many of the more generous peace offerings that Israel has made over the years have come from members of that party, including Menachem Begin (leader of the Irgun) and Ariel Sharon?


Irgun was actually the group that was responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre. The guy who started the Lekud party, was in fact also the main guy responsible for it. Those guys are extremists.

Also, kicking all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank would not be tolerated by anyone in the international community because that would be considered ethnic cleansing (there is in fact still a limit as to how far the West will support Israel, even if it doesn't look that way now). Neither Jordan, nor Egypt will tolerate that either since they're the ones who'd have to deal with the influx of refugees and they've had diplomatic ties to Israel for decades now.



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17 Nov 2023, 5:28 pm

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Also, kicking all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank would not be tolerated by anyone in the international community because that would be considered ethnic cleansing (there is in fact still a limit as to how far the West will support Israel, even if it doesn't look that way now). Neither Jordan, nor Egypt will tolerate that either since they're the ones who'd have to deal with the influx of refugees and they've had diplomatic ties to Israel for decades now.


The formation of the Arab league and rise of pan-islamism means that any loss of land to Israel has been equated to an attack on islam itself. Israel eventually has to go the negotiating table and mend fences. The question is not if but when.



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18 Nov 2023, 12:07 am

Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Personally, I don't believe their goal is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible, but rather that they're perfectly fine with causing deaths as part of a broader strategy to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland.

Likud is descended from the terrorists who were directly responsible for mass murder of Palestinian civilians during the 40s. It's not that far-fetched to see their current policies as a continuation of those of Irgun, only by different means.


I'm actually okay with them kicking the Palestinians out at this point, call it whatever you want to but I actually think they'd be better off somewhere else, preferably with some compensation money in their pockets.

As to the roots of Likud in the Irgun, don't you find it fascinating that many of the more generous peace offerings that Israel has made over the years have come from members of that party, including Menachem Begin (leader of the Irgun) and Ariel Sharon?



You and me both! I don't believe for a second that every single Palestinian doesn't support attacks on Israel, even if they don't actively participate. And the children will grow up to follow in their parent's footsteps.

In the US, we'd use some highbrowed lingo like 'indoctrination' to explain that behavior. And we'd go off on some nationwide plan to reeducate it out of the kids, in hopes of a better future for all. They don't have that option in the Gaza strip, they will keep raising generation after generation of the same. They don't place any reading material above the Quran.

I'd stomp a baby rattlesnake the same way I would an adult if it meant I wouldn't be bitten again.


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18 Nov 2023, 12:12 am

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Also, kicking all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank would not be tolerated by anyone in the international community because that would be considered ethnic cleansing (there is in fact still a limit as to how far the West will support Israel, even if it doesn't look that way now). Neither Jordan, nor Egypt will tolerate that either since they're the ones who'd have to deal with the influx of refugees and they've had diplomatic ties to Israel for decades now.


The formation of the Arab league and rise of pan-islamism means that any loss of land to Israel has been equated to an attack on islam itself. Israel eventually has to go the negotiating table and mend fences. The question is not if but when.


The good thing about an opinion like yours is that we can sit back and watch to see if it manifests. I disagree, there will be no mended fences. And we can sit back and see how my opinion manifests. There might be an end to the war, at some point, once the Palestinians are wiped/driven out.


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18 Nov 2023, 12:31 am

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I'd stomp a baby rattlesnake the same way I would an adult if it meant I wouldn't be bitten again.


Can't be too careful nowadays, all bad people should be killed at birth.


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18 Nov 2023, 12:45 am

Persephone29 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Personally, I don't believe their goal is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible, but rather that they're perfectly fine with causing deaths as part of a broader strategy to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland.

Likud is descended from the terrorists who were directly responsible for mass murder of Palestinian civilians during the 40s. It's not that far-fetched to see their current policies as a continuation of those of Irgun, only by different means.


I'm actually okay with them kicking the Palestinians out at this point, call it whatever you want to but I actually think they'd be better off somewhere else, preferably with some compensation money in their pockets.

As to the roots of Likud in the Irgun, don't you find it fascinating that many of the more generous peace offerings that Israel has made over the years have come from members of that party, including Menachem Begin (leader of the Irgun) and Ariel Sharon?

They don't place any reading material above the Quran.

A lot of people don't place any reading material above the Bible. The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is just as bad as the Quran. Check out this thread.


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18 Nov 2023, 1:00 am

Persephone29 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Personally, I don't believe their goal is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible, but rather that they're perfectly fine with causing deaths as part of a broader strategy to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland.

Likud is descended from the terrorists who were directly responsible for mass murder of Palestinian civilians during the 40s. It's not that far-fetched to see their current policies as a continuation of those of Irgun, only by different means.


I'm actually okay with them kicking the Palestinians out at this point, call it whatever you want to but I actually think they'd be better off somewhere else, preferably with some compensation money in their pockets.

As to the roots of Likud in the Irgun, don't you find it fascinating that many of the more generous peace offerings that Israel has made over the years have come from members of that party, including Menachem Begin (leader of the Irgun) and Ariel Sharon?



I don't believe for a second that every single Palestinian doesn't support attacks on Israel, even if they don't actively participate.
Survey/polls mentioned here, here, and here demonstrate that not "every single Palestinian" was pro-Hamas or pro an armed conflict.

No child deserves to die, no matter where they live or what their parents believe.


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18 Nov 2023, 1:53 am

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I don't believe for a second that every single Palestinian doesn't support attacks on Israel, even if they don't actively participate.

How do you know what "every single Palestinian" supports? There is a variety of opinion among Palestinians. Palestinians are not The Borg. Palestinians are human.

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They don't place any reading material above the Quran.

Some of the Palestinians in Gaza are Christians. And one of the buildings that got damaged there recently is one of the world's oldest church buildings. See:

- For Palestinian Christians, a Sunday spent mourning civilians killed at a Gaza church, NPR, October 23, 2023.
- ‘We were baptised here and we will die here’: Gaza’s oldest church bombed: "At least 18 dead after Israeli air strike hit Greek Orthodox church in Gaza City which served as shelter for displaced," Al Jazeera, 20 Oct 2023.

Bombing this church is not just a war crime but a crime against world culture, it seems to me.

And it is highly likely that at least some Palestinian Christians are descended from the original followers of Jesus.

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I'd stomp a baby rattlesnake the same way I would an adult if it meant I wouldn't be bitten again.

When you dehumanize Palestinians like this, please remember: At least some of these people, whom you've compared to rattlesnakes, are probably descended from people who knew Jesus himself personally.

(And you really shouldn't dehumanize Muslims like this, either.)


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18 Nov 2023, 2:51 am

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There might be an end to the war, at some point, once the Palestinians are wiped/driven out.

I do not think the Israelis will ever strategically consider that option (I wouldn't get excited with some of the rhetoric emanating from right wing Israelis).

What I mean't by mending fences is building higher walls.



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18 Nov 2023, 2:59 am

Frankly I think that this whole war is nothing but BS and I refuse to pick a side. I don't even care anymore if I get labelled as both an antisemite AND islamophobe just because I hate war and I don't enjoy seeing people use their religions as an execuse to slaughter each other and treat each other like garbage.

I just think we're on the path to WW3. Sad.


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18 Nov 2023, 3:05 am

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I don't enjoy seeing people use their religions as an execuse to slaughter each other and treat each other like garbage.


Or use skin colour as an excuse to hate for that matter. If there is one thing (and perhaps the only thing) Jews and Palestinians agree on is they all hate blacks equally.



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18 Nov 2023, 3:19 am

cyberdad wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
I don't enjoy seeing people use their religions as an execuse to slaughter each other and treat each other like garbage.


Or use skin colour as an excuse to hate for that matter. If there is one thing (and perhaps the only thing) Jews and Palestinians agree on is they all hate blacks equally.


There's been literally so much hate everywhere I look lately. Maybe there's simply too much pollution contaminating the world's drinking supply that it's doing something to our brains and causing civility to crumble all around us?

Or maybe human beings have always sucked... I dunno anymore. I mostly try to avoid people nowadays. People are dangerous.

And I'm still convinced that the US will one day implode on itself with a violent civil war that's going to be much worse than the last one. At least I'll get the chance to finally see Japan before it happens, even if its only for 10 days...


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