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20 Apr 2013, 11:21 pm

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i wonder where he will spend the rest of his life, walpole,norfolk or that new supermax shirley,mass

put him in a cell with a guy who hasnt seen a woman in 20 years


Does Massachusetts have the death penalty? If so, I hardly think this guy is getting out of it, unless he pleads guilty from the onset. Even if he does, is a prosecutor going to let him deal so he can keep on living?

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no death penalty in massachusetts,but no man has ever escaped from there higher security prisons.
walpole prison has a ward called DDU unit.where inmates have no human contact except guards escorting them in handcuff.they even have to exercise in a cage.
they just built a supermax in shirley,mass.
murder 1 is a mandatory life without parole.
honestly even without the death penaly you would be better off to kill someone in texas


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20 Apr 2013, 11:31 pm

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If you regard this as a "win" for some terrorist group, then Comedy Central are masterminds that put the best of al Qaeda to shame - they shut down Boston, and a couple other places, with Lite-Brite installations promoting that year's season of Aqua Teen Hunger Force!


I think you mean Cartoon Network's late-night programming block Adult Swim. Aqua teen hunger force isn't a Comedy Central show.



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20 Apr 2013, 11:47 pm

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Even if he does, is a prosecutor going to let him deal so he can keep on living?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'd think that saving millions of dollars in trial and appeals expenses would be the actual motivating factor. Unless you think paying all that money to satiate a little bloodlust is a good use of tax dollars...


I seem to remember it's happened.

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20 Apr 2013, 11:58 pm

Hi everybody.

What a sad week for Americans.

And just today a shooting happened at a 4/20 rally in Colorado. What a strange week. Then, big earthquakes all over Asia. I don't see any meaning in all of it, just a really bad week, with a lot of bad stuff going on. Hope things get better.

The remaining bomber is apparently unconscious in a hospital in serious condition. He may not make it out of his hospital stay who knows. He may not be fit to stand trial when he does.

They did not read him his Miranda rights which apparently means they will try him as a terrorist. Different rules apply in those cases although I don't know specifically how. I think they can keep them longer for instance but I'm not sure of that.

I'm rambling a bit but I still am in a little bit of shock to see a great city like Boston totally shut down like it was.



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21 Apr 2013, 12:07 am

vermontsavant wrote:
no death penalty in massachusetts,but no man has ever escaped from there higher security prisons. walpole prison has a ward called DDU unit. where inmates have no human contact except guards escorting them in handcuff.they even have to exercise in a cage. they just built a supermax in shirley,mass. murder 1 is a mandatory life without parole. honestly even without the death penaly you would be better off to kill someone in texas

So, the dog gets to spend the rest of his miserable life contemplating the deaths of two women, a police officer, an 8-year old boy, and his older brother; the maiming and crippling of dozens of others; and his own wounds in near-solitary confinement without any hope of ever seeing the light of day as a free man.

:lol:

Too bad he will never hear these words spoken: "You, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, shall be taken to the place from whence you came, and thence to a place of lawful execution, and there you shall be hanged by the neck until you be dead, and afterwards your body shall be buried in a common grave within the precincts of the prison wherein you were last confined before your execution; and may the Lord have mercy on your soul."

Yes ... may the LORD have mercy ... because I sure as Hell don't!



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21 Apr 2013, 12:13 am

He can also fondly remember running over his own brother and dragging him under the car for 30 yards.



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21 Apr 2013, 12:17 am

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He can also fondly remember running over his own brother and dragging him under the car for 30 yards.


Gotta wonder if that - along with the police bullets - were what had contributed to his brother's death.

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21 Apr 2013, 7:08 am

Fnord wrote:
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no death penalty in massachusetts,but no man has ever escaped from there higher security prisons. walpole prison has a ward called DDU unit. where inmates have no human contact except guards escorting them in handcuff.they even have to exercise in a cage. they just built a supermax in shirley,mass. murder 1 is a mandatory life without parole. honestly even without the death penaly you would be better off to kill someone in texas

So, the dog gets to spend the rest of his miserable life contemplating the deaths of two women, a police officer, an 8-year old boy, and his older brother; the maiming and crippling of dozens of others; and his own wounds in near-solitary confinement without any hope of ever seeing the light of day as a free man.

:lol:

Too bad he will never hear these words spoken: "You, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, shall be taken to the place from whence you came, and thence to a place of lawful execution, and there you shall be hanged by the neck until you be dead, and afterwards your body shall be buried in a common grave within the precincts of the prison wherein you were last confined before your execution; and may the Lord have mercy on your soul."

Yes ... may the LORD have mercy ... because I sure as Hell don't!


Wait until he is convicted in a court of law, will you.

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21 Apr 2013, 7:45 am

Fnord wrote:
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no death penalty in massachusetts,but no man has ever escaped from there higher security prisons. walpole prison has a ward called DDU unit. where inmates have no human contact except guards escorting them in handcuff.they even have to exercise in a cage. they just built a supermax in shirley,mass. murder 1 is a mandatory life without parole. honestly even without the death penaly you would be better off to kill someone in texas

So, the dog gets to spend the rest of his miserable life contemplating the deaths of two women, a police officer, an 8-year old boy, and his older brother; the maiming and crippling of dozens of others; and his own wounds in near-solitary confinement without any hope of ever seeing the light of day as a free man.

:lol:

Too bad he will never hear these words spoken: "You, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, shall be taken to the place from whence you came, and thence to a place of lawful execution, and there you shall be hanged by the neck until you be dead, and afterwards your body shall be buried in a common grave within the precincts of the prison wherein you were last confined before your execution; and may the Lord have mercy on your soul."

Yes ... may the LORD have mercy ... because I sure as Hell don't!
the only way(and this might happen)would to give juristiction to the feds if possible.the feds can execute him


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21 Apr 2013, 7:49 am

according to CNN the feds to have jurisdiction and they may seek the death penalty


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21 Apr 2013, 8:15 am

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according to CNN the feds to have jurisdiction and they may seek the death penalty


Under what law? The Chechens were here legally, one was a naturalized citizen and neither was shown to be making war on the United States. What they did was murder three people, injure hundreds more and destroy property all of which are felonies under the laws of Massachussetts. Unless these people can be shown to be agents of a foreign power, or their acts, acts of war the law against treason does not apply.

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21 Apr 2013, 10:25 am

Many people are angry. Furious. But most all would not take any action against this bomber. They are content that he was caught and will wait to follow the course of due process under our laws. What is surprising (or maybe not surprising) is 11+ years after 9/11 there still is confusion on how to try individuals accused of terrorism.

As to the suspects guilt, I at least have 0% doubt already based on what I have seen, and am sure he will be found guilty. Along with the increasing mound of evidence, there is a surviving witness that saw him (the surviving bomber) plant the bomb and communicated the fact and identified the person from photos to the FBI immediately after the bombing. This is before seeing the various suspected bomber pics that later appeared on TV. It was this man's testimony that led the police to identify the correct suspect and spurred the manhunt that followed.

This was the witness:

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In case you didn't know, the guy in the cowboy hat is holding one of the victims arteries and preventing him from bleeding to death.

The accompanying story:

The man who became the bloodied face of the victims after the Boston bomb attacks provided the key identification of one of the suspects - Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was later killed in a shootout with police.

Jeff Bauman was waiting to see his girlfriend finish the race when a man in a white cap and sweatshirt dropped a backpack at his feet. Bauman, 27, lost both his legs in the explosion.

Despite being heavily drugged, Bauman got word to the authorities that he had seen one of the bombers.

He told FBI investigators that he looked in the eyes of Tamerlan Tsarnaev as he planted the bomb. He went on to identify him in a photograph.

Bauman's brother, Chris, said: "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, 'bag, saw the guy, looked right at me.' "

As Bauman was treated in intensive care, he was interviewed by FBI agents and gave a description of the bomber.

His brother said the account was emphatic and convincing.

"I've had many times alone with him, and yes, he told me every single detail," Chris Bauman said.

The FBI was able to narrow its inquiries down to two suspects who were related - Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother, Dzhokhar - from tens of thousands of people pictured in the area before the attacks.

The information triggered a man-hunt that culminated in a car chase and shootouts that shut down Boston on Friday, leading to the death of the elder Tsarnaev and the arrest late Friday night of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.


Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Bombi ... z2R6wB3Mfe



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21 Apr 2013, 10:53 am

ruveyn wrote:
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according to CNN the feds to have jurisdiction and they may seek the death penalty


Under what law? The Chechens were here legally, one was a naturalized citizen and neither was shown to be making war on the United States. What they did was murder three people, injure hundreds more and destroy property all of which are felonies under the laws of Massachussetts. Unless these people can be shown to be agents of a foreign power, or their acts, acts of war the law against treason does not apply.

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1.i did not say it was or wasnt treason
2.i only reported what CNN said


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21 Apr 2013, 10:58 am

vermontsavant wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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according to CNN the feds to have jurisdiction and they may seek the death penalty


Under what law? The Chechens were here legally, one was a naturalized citizen and neither was shown to be making war on the United States. What they did was murder three people, injure hundreds more and destroy property all of which are felonies under the laws of Massachussetts. Unless these people can be shown to be agents of a foreign power, or their acts, acts of war the law against treason does not apply.

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1.i did not say it was or wasnt treason
2.i only reported what CNN said


That is televised hearsay and has no substantial validity.

The proper sources for legal matters are reports of what the courts have decided.

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21 Apr 2013, 11:20 am

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He can also fondly remember running over his own brother and dragging him under the car for 30 yards.


Gotta wonder if that - along with the police bullets - were what had contributed to his brother's death.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I just read a report that the older brother's body was riddled with injuries from head to foot. So I would have to say he probably died of natural causes.

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21 Apr 2013, 11:56 am

I would never believe the FBI. It's very likely that the bombers will never be found but they needed to find people in order to prove that the fuzz is infallible which is an important social message they try to broadcast to the people.