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20 Sep 2014, 3:15 pm

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INFOWARS.COM: "?Yes? Supporters Claim Videos Show Scottish Referendum Was Rigged" (September 19, 2014)
http://www.infowars.com/yes-supporters- ... was-rigged


I don't trust anything from the infowars web site unless there is substantial backing from reputable sites.



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20 Sep 2014, 3:26 pm

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Apparently, free speech and diversity of opinion means nothing here.


They are free to publish what they wish, but just because something is published does not mean that we should believe it to be true.

It is certainly justifiable to raise doubts about the truth of a posted "news story" and doing so does not repress anyone's Free Speech.



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22 Sep 2014, 11:39 am

REUTERS.COM: "British PM Cameron tries to quell party revolt over new powers for Scotland" (September 22, 2014)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/ ... 7D20140922

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...Two days before Scots voted 'No' to independence, the leaders of the three main parties agreed to give Scots new powers over tax, welfare and spending and to continue a contested arrangement whereby Scotland receives far more central government funding per head than the rest of Britain.

But some lawmakers from Cameron's Conservatives said they couldn't accept what they argued was too generous an arrangement that failed to address English rights, raising the possibility of a rebellion that could sabotage the deal....

Sooo, did Cameron lie when he promised "new powers," or is he lying now?


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22 Sep 2014, 1:12 pm

eric76 wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Apparently, free speech and diversity of opinion means nothing here.


They are free to publish what they wish, but just because something is published does not mean that we should believe it to be true.

It is certainly justifiable to raise doubts about the truth of a posted "news story" and doing so does not repress anyone's Free Speech.


But it was on the Interweb ! !! That means it has to be true ! !!


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22 Sep 2014, 1:47 pm

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But it was on the Interweb ! !! That means it has to be true ! !!

Excuse me, but, even if your assertion is true, do the Wrong Planet rules prohibit all speech except that which is provably true? If so, there is a LOT of the forum that would require immediate redaction. I guess that I am laboring under the delusion that most speech is welcome here regardless of how inane or mistaken it might possiblly be (and sometimes is proved to be so).

Seriously, what is the apparent autistic obsession with banning speech? Or, is it just unique to Wrong Planet?


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04 Oct 2014, 6:11 pm

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RIA.RU: "Russian Observers Say Westminter Put Pressure on Scots on Referendum Day" (September 19, 2014)
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140919/1930972 ... ts-on.html

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Russian observers think that Westminster put significant pressure on Scots during the independence referendum on September 18.

'According to what our observers at the polling offices tell us, there were more Yes votes during the vote count. Scotland found itself under immense pressure? Those on the UK side campaigning for a No vote resorted to every violation imaginable,' Georgy Fyodorov, the head of the Association for the Protection of Electoral Rights 'Civil control,' told RIA Novosti on Friday....


To quote from our national poet Robert Burns,the author of Auld Lang Syne
O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us (Oh would some power the gift to give us)
Tae see oursels as ithers see us! (To see ourselves as others see us)

The Russian view is interesting but it can honestly be dismissed as blatant propoganda.They were desperate for a break-up to destabilise NATO as the UK's nuclear submarines are based in Scottish waters. The truth is that No voters have always been in the silent majority and although the referendum was conducted mainly in a civilised fashion,there was a minority of campaigners on both sides who were intent on causing some disorder,but if anyone it was in fact elements who attached themselves to the Yes campaign that were seen as being more vocal,aggressive and intimidating.
The conspiracy theory of Alex Jones is based on the misguided 'Braveheart/Freedom' view of the sitution.Scotland was a
partner in creating both the United Kingdom and the empire that has become the 71-country family of nations that is the
British Commonwealth. The referendum result reflects that the majority of the population are still proud to be both Scottish and British and would be happy to see a fairer society across not just Scotland but all of England,Wales and Northern Ireland too.


When the Russians allow a referendum like that in Chechenya, then they'll have the moral standing to criticize. Actually, that the referendum was held, and how it was held, shows the UK to have a much higher caliber of democracy than, say, Spain.