Trump ignored pandemic warnings from January
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Trump is being *flexible* by extending the social distancing(?) rules.
"How dare he!"
mebbe because vainglorious trumpy didn't wanna go down in history as presiding over 2 million preventable deaths.
Would you?
the point being that is very likely [considering his track record] the ONLY reason he mighta been swayed, when in fact anybody else with an ounce of basic decency that god gave little green apples woulda automatically done it because it was just the right moral ethical proper GD MF'in thing to do in the first place for christ's sake.
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President Trump shaken by scenes from NYC's Elmhurst Hospital
"I've been watching that for the last week on television," he said. "Body bags all over, in hallways. I've been watching them bring in trailer trucks - freezer trucks, they're freezer trucks, because they can't handle the bodies, there are so many of them. This is essentially in my community, in Queens, Queens, New York," he continued. "I've seen things that I've never seen before."
13 patients at the hospital succumbed to the virus in one day last week.
He added, "When I see the trucks pull up, to take out bodies -- I mean, these are trucks as long as the rose garden and they are pulling up to take out bodies and you look inside and you see the black body bags? What's in there? It is Elmhurst hospital. Must be supplies. It is not supplies. It's people.
President Trump also shared the story of a friend of his who went to the hospital with coronavirus and a day later was in a coma.
"I had a friend who went to a hospital the other day. He's a little older, and he's heavy, but he's a tough person," he said. "He went to the hospital. A day later he's in a coma. I said how is he doing? Sir, he's in a coma, he's unconscious. He's not doing well. The speed and the viciousness, especially if it gets the right person, it's horrible. It's really horrible."
Report - Trump sought coronavirus advice from ex baseball player
The individual requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the issue. ABC News was first to report on the call.
The conversation was "pleasant," according to ABC, which stated Rodriguez has no official plans to take a role in the government's effort to slow the spread of the disease. The number of cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. surpassed 100,000 as of Saturday morning,
On Saturday morning, Trump denied ABC's report, tweeting, “More Fake News!”
Less than seven years ago, before Trump's political career began and while Rodriguez was still an active player with the New York Yankees, Trump took to Twitter and repeatedly called Rodriguez a "druggie."
Rodriguez served a one-year suspension in 2014 for his involvement in the biogenesis scandal. He is currently a studio analyst for Fox Sports MLB and is the color commentator on ESPN's "Sunday Night Baseball."
During this period of social distancing, Rodriguez and his fianceé, Jennifer Lopez, have posted on social media from their Miami home.
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I've been hearing on the news how Trump is now accusing hospital workers - among the heroes of this sorry story - of hoarding supplies, or as Trump has said, "even worse." I suppose he means he figures hospital workers are stealing. Another case of Trump projecting his own behavior on others.
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Trump is being *flexible* by extending the social distancing(?) rules.
"How dare he!"
mebbe because vainglorious trumpy didn't wanna go down in history as presiding over 2 million preventable deaths.
Would you?
the point being that is very likely [considering his track record] the ONLY reason he mighta been swayed, when in fact anybody else with an ounce of basic decency that god gave little green apples woulda automatically done it because it was just the right moral ethical proper GD MF'in thing to do in the first place for christ's sake.
A lot of countries didn't realise how serious the China flu was.
The same indecision happened in both Britain and Australia, amongst others.
Why is Trump criticised so vitriolically when others haven't been?
Is he worse than Xi Jinping, iyo?
I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
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I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
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I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-cuomo-ma ... rk-1494949
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What does not have to be predicted is that there are normally 225,000 deaths per month in the United States.
2,700,000 per year.
200,000 C19 deaths would bring that to 2,900,000.
Not trying to make a point. Just running the numbers.
Here is a 3 minute video of descriptions of the status of this pandemic on the front lines in NYC by healthcare workers. I wonder how after watching it you will be able to spin it in order to remain in denial about the seriousness of this virus.
I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
You do realise I really need to see/hear it myself.
I need to understand the context behind what he said.
Is there a youtube clip somewhere?
I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-cuomo-ma ... rk-1494949
WOW. That was quick!
How did you reply before I asked the question?
Unfortunately, I can't watch the video.
It just won't let me.
I may Google another version.
I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
I haven't properly drilled into it, but here is my take:
-Trump shouldn't cast aspersions, especially about something like that.
-Trump really should wait until he actually has evidence.
-He has very little discipline/patience.
-He really needs diplomacy skills.
-He needs to "put a muzzle on it."
However,
-Hospitals, here in Australia, have had to lock sanitisers, etc, down because people *are* stealing them.
-People *are* profiteering from this crisis. (Neurotypicals, what can you do? )
-Bureaucracies have been known to fudge the figures, in order to be sure, to be sure. Germany refused to help Italy, in some areas because they wanted to keep the goods if they needed it, as an example of how this works.
-He is having to deal with a very vicious media bias intent on tripping him up at every turn.
Kraichgauer
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I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
I haven't properly drilled into it, but here is my take:
-Trump shouldn't cast aspersions, especially about something like that.
-Trump really should wait until he actually has evidence.
-He has very little discipline/patience.
-He really needs diplomacy skills.
-He needs to "put a muzzle on it."
However,
-Hospitals, here in Australia, have had to lock sanitisers, etc, down because people *are* stealing them.
-People *are* profiteering from this crisis. (Neurotypicals, what can you do? )
-Bureaucracies have been known to fudge the figures, in order to be sure, to be sure. Germany refused to help Italy, in some areas because they wanted to keep the goods if they needed it, as an example of how this works.
-He is having to deal with a very vicious media bias intent on tripping him up at every turn.
Thank you, and good points.
As for your last point - - Trump has no one but himself to blame for the way the media criticizes him. From the very start of his Presidency he was viciously attacking the mainstream media when they called him out on his boast that he had had the biggest inauguration in the history of the multiverse.
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I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
I haven't properly drilled into it, but here is my take:
-Trump shouldn't cast aspersions, especially about something like that.
-Trump really should wait until he actually has evidence.
-He has very little discipline/patience.
-He really needs diplomacy skills.
-He needs to "put a muzzle on it."
However,
-Hospitals, here in Australia, have had to lock sanitisers, etc, down because people *are* stealing them.
-People *are* profiteering from this crisis. (Neurotypicals, what can you do? )
-Bureaucracies have been known to fudge the figures, in order to be sure, to be sure. Germany refused to help Italy, in some areas because they wanted to keep the goods if they needed it, as an example of how this works.
-He is having to deal with a very vicious media bias intent on tripping him up at every turn.
Thank you, and good points.
As for your last point - - Trump has no one but himself to blame for the way the media criticizes him. From the very start of his Presidency he was viciously attacking the mainstream media when they called him out on his boast that he had had the biggest inauguration in the history of the multiverse.
In some ways, he is a putz.
But in others, I applaud him.
Can you live with that?
Hello?
Hello?
You still there?
Should I ring 911!?
Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posts: 48,460
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
I think we have established that some sectors of the media are extremely inaccurate/biased.
I'd take their reporting with a truckload of rock salt.
I'd prefer the entire context revealed, rather than automatically accepting what is thrown my way.
Seriously, some of your journalists and media lack ethics/integrity. <giggle>
Actually, I've heard Trump say that on TV today.
I haven't properly drilled into it, but here is my take:
-Trump shouldn't cast aspersions, especially about something like that.
-Trump really should wait until he actually has evidence.
-He has very little discipline/patience.
-He really needs diplomacy skills.
-He needs to "put a muzzle on it."
However,
-Hospitals, here in Australia, have had to lock sanitisers, etc, down because people *are* stealing them.
-People *are* profiteering from this crisis. (Neurotypicals, what can you do? )
-Bureaucracies have been known to fudge the figures, in order to be sure, to be sure. Germany refused to help Italy, in some areas because they wanted to keep the goods if they needed it, as an example of how this works.
-He is having to deal with a very vicious media bias intent on tripping him up at every turn.
Thank you, and good points.
As for your last point - - Trump has no one but himself to blame for the way the media criticizes him. From the very start of his Presidency he was viciously attacking the mainstream media when they called him out on his boast that he had had the biggest inauguration in the history of the multiverse.
In some ways, he is a putz.
But in others, I applaud him.
Can you live with that?
Hello?
Hello?
You still there?
Should I ring 911!?
You can believe what ever you like. I just see him as a malevolent simpleton with morbid Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And that doesn't even cover how he owes everything to Putin, and how he prefers autocratic strongmen to leaders of democratic governments.
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What does not have to be predicted is that there are normally 225,000 deaths per month in the United States.
2,700,000 per year.
200,000 C19 deaths would bring that to 2,900,000.
Not trying to make a point. Just running the numbers.
Here is a 3 minute video of descriptions of the status of this pandemic on the front lines in NYC by healthcare workers. I wonder how after watching it you will be able to spin it in order to remain in denial about the seriousness of this virus.
It is not a spin or denial, but rather a fact, that 200k C-19 deaths would take the US yearly death total from 2,700,000 to 2,900,000.
Also fwiw I bet if I do enough digging I can find similar videos regarding the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic:
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Only for the benefit of those reading BS from Trump apologists
response from the US hospitals to Trump's published comments
Kenneth Raske, president of Greater New York Hospital Association, said in a statement that medical workers "deserve better" than Trump's comments as they deal with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new strain of coronavirus tearing through the world.
"New York's health care workers are treating exploding numbers of COVID-19 patients around the clock —willingly and without complaint. My daughter, an ICU nurse at a New York City hospital, is one of them," Raske said.
"The only thing they ask for in return is adequate amounts of personal protective equipment. PPE is the single thing that separates them from being COVID-19 patients themselves.
"They deserve better than their president suggesting that PPE is 'going out the back door' of New York hospitals. I urge you to focus on what you—and all of us—can do to help."
Rob Davidson, an emergency room doctor in West Michigan who is also executive director of the Committee to Protect Medicare campaign, tweeted: "Accusing heroic healthcare workers in NYC of stealing #PPE and #ventilators is an all-time low from @realDonaldTrump.
"They deserve our praise, and they get slapped in the face from this pitiful man. They give more of themselves in one shift than he could give in 1000 lifetimes.
"Please @realDonaldTrump listen to the voices of healthcare workers in NYC. They're begging for you to get them the equipment they need. These are not political people. These are dedicated healers."
Kevin Lu, a graduating medical student in Michigan who is about to become resident, told Newsweek seeing Trump's comments made him feel angry.
"These are my friends, colleagues, and classmates who are knowingly sacrificing personal health and safety in order to do their best to help others right now," Lu said.
"Anecdotally, I've known countless [health care workers] who knew they were inadequately protected but bravely have chosen to continue doing their jobs because they are needed. We are naked soldiers walking into a battlefield."
Lu said medics started with one set of PPE per patient before moving to one mask per worker per shift. "Then we moved to only workers at high risk of COVID interaction get masks," Lu told Newsweek.
"When all workers became high risk of COVID interaction, some places moved to you to get one mask permanently and it's your job not to lose it. Now for some places it's either you experiment with wash and reuse or you have no masks at all."
Lisa Miller, a physician and anesthesiologist in Seattle, Washington, another of the worst-hit areas in the pandemic, tweeted: "Trump has now accused healthcare workers of stealing our own masks and PPE, hence the shortage. Yes, Mr. Trump, we are rewearing masks that are only meant to be worn once because we want to make you look bad. F***wit."
Barry Schapiro, an orthopedic surgeon in Parkland, Florida, tweeted: "Imagine... working gruelling hours, risking everything, treating the sickest patients you've seen in your entire career, coming home and quarantining in the guest room isolated from your family for the foreseeable future...and then the president accuses you of being a thief.
"When a hospital goes from a typical number of patients under respiratory isolation to every ICU bed and entire units in respiratory isolation, it's easy to imagine an increased need of 10-50x. Not understanding is one thing. Accusing us of lying and stealing is quite another."
Olivia Cardenas-Trowers, a doctor from Louisville, Kentucky, specializing in female pelvic medicine, tweeted: We need MORE masks than in previous years...because WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!! [Health care workers] aren't stealing- we're using #PPE to protect ourselves, do our jobs safely, and save as many lives as we can. Don't make us out to be villains and thieves, @realDonaldTrump."
But the Trump campaign said the president is heeding what medical workers are saying about thefts from hospitals.
"President Trump is listening to health care professionals. Some have reported that people are stealing large numbers of masks and medical equipment from hospitals," the Trump campaign tweeted, and posted a video of Cuomo.
In that video, which is of a press conference from early March, the Democratic New York governor says: "One of the things we've heard from healthcare professionals, there have been thefts of medical equipment and masks from hospitals, believe it or not, not just people taking a couple or three, I mean just actual thefts of those products.
"I've asked the state police to do an investigation, look at marketplaces that are selling masks etcetera, medical equipment, protective wear, playing into this [by] exploiting the anxiety."
Matt Wolking, the Trump campaign's deputy director of communications, also linked to a March 3 article in the publication Modern Healthcare in which a doctor reported thefts from her hospital.
Shira Doron, an infectious disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Boston's Tufts Medical Center, told the publication her hospital had thefts of essential PPE including masks from areas in which lots of people pass through.
The office of New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio directed Newsweek to a comment on Twitter by his press secretary Freddi Goldstein.
"This is absolutely ludicrous," Goldstein wrote in response to Trump's comments. "There is no hoarding or conspiracy going on here. Just a simple fact: Our doctors and nurses need masks. That's the sad, unchanging truth unless the federal government steps up and protects our frontline workers."
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