[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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If the two fish are frying in a skillet and breaded in cornmeal then an Arkansan just walked by .
Side of slaw, potato salad and baked beans.

If you see two fish in water that became 30 fish out of water, then Jesus just walked by.

Sigh...

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	This thread needs some proper attention that I can't really give it right now. It is understandable that emotions may be running high. That said, WrongPlanet rules still apply. Do not suggest that any civilian deserves to die. Avoid making racial or religious slurs.

The solution imo is a referendum of the people of Gaza to ask whether they want to be part of Israel or Palestine. Lat the 2 million inhabitants decide. Then the two sides can stop their deadly willy waving.

Think there might be a possibility that Israel has already removed most indigenous people from Gaza Area ??.??

I'd like to know when in history a referendum solved anything. Peace happens when all sides want it. Not before.

Now, i see according to bloomberg news Israel has launched several Armoured tank divisions into the Palestinian held areas, uhm .. whom are they going to fight ? these people fight using guerilla tactics, .. There will not be much of a front line , And Palestine has no Armoured units, according to google , and would not divulge information as to whether they have even a real Standing Army . So what are they going to do , except destroy private property,
entire cities ..It will be a repeat ,but much worse of the Iraq War.if this does not get resolved at a bargaining table
It will be just aweful I feel , for the entire region. Israel will give the people they call terrorists more of a cause to fight. It just seems like a preconcieved situation ..Perhaps Israel felt neglected of USA support and arms ,cause we are being nice to Ukraine.????
personally have to wonder , if they destroy Palestine,does that mean they will destroy the birthplace of Christ???
Just curious ? Hopefully the military action will be confined to the Gaza Strip??
Think someone is blurring the propaganda frontlines by using Hamas as the people they are fighting .
But there is no such country as Hamas ? So which country are they attacking

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https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY

Anybody worried that with the world distracted and with the U.S. drawing down their munitions supply even further to supply Israel China might decide this is a good time to invade Taiwan and Russia may decide this is a good time to use a battlefield nuke?

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Youve got a very muddled grasp of it.
The Jews are considered to be both a religion and an ethnic group (both by themselves and by Gentiles).

The ancient Jews chronicled in the Old Testament had kingdoms in what we now call "the Holy Land" in the Iron Age from circa 1100 BC until the New Testament Times. But ancient Judea was destroyed and its population dispersed when the Romans crushed the last revolt by the Jews and destroyed the second temple in 150 AD. The region became part of the Roman Empire which evolved into the Christian Byzantine Empire. The Byzantines ruled until it was seized by the Arab muslim invaders in AD 700. The Muslim Arabs ruled until the 1100s AD when the Christian crusaders reconquered the Holy Land for Christianity. The Muslim drove them back out by the 1300s. The Turkish Ottoman empire became the one great Muslim empire ruling all of the middle east west of Iran, including the flyspeck of Palestine. Then the Ottomans went into decline. The Ottomans allied themselves with Germany in the first world war. The defeat finished off the Ottoman empire. At that point the founder of modern Zionism, Theodore Herzl talked to Churchill about a homeland for Jews to be free of persecution. And Churchill said "yeah. you're prolly right. The Jews will never be safe living here in Europe, and it just so happens that we and the French are taking apart the middle eastern territories of the Ottoman empire for ourselves and the French. So...why dont we just rob Peter to Pay Paul by stealing land from the Arabs and giving it to you European Jews? What could possible go wrong? So ...go ahead start settling Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine and we wont bother to ask the local Arabs if they approve." And ever since 1918 Peter and Paul have been fighting each other over Palestine. Thank you ... British Empire!

Jews trickled in to settle between the world wars. And fighting broke out, and both Arabs and Jewish settlers inflicted terrorist acts on each other. But the trickle became a flood after the Second World War when Holocaust survivors flooded in. Britain pulled out in 1948, Israel became a nation, and the first Arab Israeli war immediately broke out. And the modern Arab Israeli condition began.

The Yom Kippur War was the last war between Israel and its neighboring nation states in 1973.

But Lebanon degenrated into civil war in 1980s and came apart at the seams and became host for stateless terrorism.

The twenty first century saw two more of Israel's neighbors also degenerate into anarchy (Syria because of civil war, Iraq because of the US invasion, both devastated by ISIS. Israel had hardly gotten a scratch. Israel's traditional enemies all became destracted by their common fear and rivaly with Iran. Probably lulled Israel into a false sense of security. Well..they dont feel secure anymore now.

Eow.. hey this is great , if your invested in Oil or military arms market ( defence contractors)companies in the US the stock market is going ...straight up ...? uhm... ? Why ? this stinks ... Somebody very likely anticipated this
Someone is making huge amounts of money off of this Middle East dibocle.

Hmm.. NP , what year did UN recognize Israel as a State. But "Thank you"for clarifying the rest of the historical facts.
Referencing the bible as a fact for recognition of Israel might not be adequate reference in modern day , knowledge base. Including King James version of a bible . But admittedly there has been some apparent acheological things found resembling things written of in the bible .
fun fact: Original bible as provided to people , ( was not written down till 200 yrs after the fact) then interpolated to conveinence of those in power. Obviously as Good ole king james remove entire sections of it . but we still have Matthew ,Luke ,Mark & John....

Lebanon’s civil war started on 1975; and its main root goes back to the 1958 crisis which had more to do with the cold war than the Arab-Israeli conflict, up to this point we still had a Jewish community:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Lebanon_crisis

This stuff makes me wonder if there's something truly special about that postage stamp of land besides not wanting the other looking/praying people to occupy it.

Like, is there some Truly spiritual metaphysical value to this little section of sandbox? Is there some sort of stargate there that people are warring over controlling or having access to?

Just so ridiculous that so many people have been killed over this little tiny plot of land it doesn't make logical sense.. how many people have died for it from various peoples/religions in the region since fighting began over it? How many of their religious leaders would be like "Oh yeah, that's definitely what I taught y'all.. murder other people who don't follow my teachings." Probably Zero.

So, since there's no logic to it.. what's the illogical reason? Time machine? Stargate teleportation device? Something else? Make it make sense.

I wouldn't call it a sandbox.

But simply put, it's the Holy Land. It's where Abraham (Avram, Ibrahim) went when God told him to Go Forth. Secondly it's where the British decided to leave all the Jews with whom they no longer wished to deal.

I am not surprised at all.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4245899-mccarthy-calls-on-biden-to-refreeze-6b-in-iranian-funds/

Israel would be much better off if it wasn't viewed as the Holy Land by so many people. It's a shame, really. One would think that a god would watch out for it more, especially considering that it's holy and all.

I don't view it as a sandbox, but I don't think of it as being any more important or special than any place else that contains people. It's just one country among 195. The amount of importance it's given for religious reasons is absurd. I can't believe that we're still grappling with this stuff at this point in history.

The world would be a better place if people put less trust in their holy books and more into hard evidence and reason.

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