5-year old aspie voted out of kindergarten by students

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26 May 2008, 5:53 pm

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As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I can't believe there are people who stilled use the racist term "colored people", the PC version "People of Color" is just as BS as well IMO. Both terms perpetuate racialist essentialism.


I can't either. I live in the South, which was the epicenter of Jim Crow and I've never heard someone use the word, "colored" in reference to someone like me.....in the 21st century. I thought that word died out along with "negro".

I also find it incomprehensible that someone would write me off and refuse to get to know me as a person just for having brown skin. Very sad, really.


I find it offensive that you spell coloured without the U.

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26 May 2008, 6:19 pm

Written by my son in response to this situation - he has encouraged me to share his comments with others.

Listen, I'm not some mad mother or father thats pissed about what you
did to Alex. I'm a 22 year old man with Asperger's who runs a
successful computer repair business. I would not be where I am today
if teachers like you existed in my school. SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR
TREATMENT OF ALEX! If my parents and school had not supported me in my
development I would probably be just as much as a low life as you are
today. But I rose above that, I surpassed my disabilities and became a
successful student who gets straight A's in his computer courses at
college.

I hope for Alex's sake that he never has to face you again unless its
in a court room to get the justice he DESERVES! I hope you know what
you have done by upsetting an Asperger's kid. While they can be
infinitely kind and forgiving, they can also feel infinite anger that
will not subside until justice is served. You would be surprised how
motivated someone with Asperger's can get when they feel wronged,
their desire for justice will never go away until it is served.

I'm not trying to make any threats by that but I would advise if you
ever see him again you BEG for his forgiveness and promise it will
never happen again. You might be surprised by the results.

Oh, and I'm forwarding the story of what you did my mother and from
there to every Asperger's support group we know of. And don't worry, I
won't forget to include your e-mail address and other information. ;-)

Have a wonderful day,
Ben



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26 May 2008, 7:44 pm

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What an appalling story, that poor child...

I've been on the receiving end of something similar. I went to a university - one of the top ones for my field, I should add - and because of the AS and the way it worked, I ended up not coping with it very well. For this reason I wasn't really interacting with my classmates, I generally just didn't fit in, things weren't working but I was working on getting them better so they could work out and I could fix it. Then came the vote - turns out that you have to write a three-page review on every one of your peers, and if enough people say they don't like you then you have to leave the course.

Guess who got voted out? :roll:

I was 19 at the time, but it was no less traumatic than I imagine it would have been had I been that five year old kid in a room full of spiteful other five year old kids.

Life can be truly crap sometimes.
8O I would be sooooooooooo mad! How did you survive it?



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26 May 2008, 7:59 pm

Left the school, felt awful for a while, but thankfully it's things like that throughout my life that have made me incredibly strong and resourceful and, amazingly, really independent. So I spoke to the course leaders, explained why it was such a ridiculous system, sent in a letter of complaint, moved home, got over it. It was incredibly traumatic and made me question a lot of things, but thankfully I've got the most supportive, incredible family I could ever ask for and they rallied around me and got me cheered up. My friends back home all bought me lots of coffee and took me out to cheer me up and got me over it quick smart too, bless 'em.

Turns out leaving the place was the best thing that could've ever happened, as I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now or have met the love of my life, but even so it was bloody awful at the time.

You know how you get really bullied as a kid, you can't figure things out, but slowly you teach yourself social norms and you learn to interact normally and eventually have lots of friends and pass off as normal, but then something comes up that throws you and you feel about five years old again? It was one of those situations.


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26 May 2008, 9:33 pm

I just got wind of an email from Melissa Barton, Alex's mother. She said that the thing to do here is to contact:

Office of Governor Charlie Crist
State of Florida
The Capitol
400 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001

Citizen Services Hotline: (850) 488-4441
Executive Office of the Governor Switchboard: (850) 488-7146
[Office hours are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time]

Fax: (850) 487-0801

For individuals with hearing loss or speech disability:
1-850-922-7795 (TTY)
OR
711 (Florida Telecommunication Relay)

ASAN - Autistic Self Advocacy Network has also issued a statement on this. In particular, I highlight this section:

Please be polite yet firm in your comments, pointing out the unacceptability of such actions when aimed at any student, as well as the need for this school to adopt policies to prevent this from happening in the future. This is an opportunity to drive home the message that we will not stand by while one of our own is abused. We ask that you please cc: [email protected] in your e-mails to the school district so we can keep track of the strength and sources of this response. Remember: abusive messages hurt our cause - please be respectful in your comments.


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27 May 2008, 5:43 am

Here is a brilliant article by MaccaJ on this story in the Daily Kos dated May 25:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/26 ... 902/522855

He reports that

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the matter is now in the hands of the Port St.Lucie school district and the Florida Department of Children and Families.


I hope this story is reported widely in the mainstream media.



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27 May 2008, 7:25 am

tailfins1959 wrote:
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As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I can't believe there are people who stilled use the racist term "colored people", the PC version "People of Color" is just as BS as well IMO. Both terms perpetuate racialist essentialism.


Who exactly comes up with this stuff? It seems there's someone out there that wants to keep changing the language. Does it make them feel powerful?


I just like terminology to make sense, in this case to fit biological/genetic reality. Note that I don't like either the term "colored" and the PC term "people of color." It's a good example of how PC language can in many cases perpetuate racialist essentialism (which is the notion that races are essential "types" of humanity and not fluid populations) that have no basis in human population genetics.

I don't see a problem with Hyphenated-American terms. The US is a country of immigrants so I don't see a problem with saying what parts of the world your ancestors come from.


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27 May 2008, 7:28 am

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It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I know this through painful experience. Long story short:


My parents tell me to fight back when bullied

I fight back when bullied

I get detention for defending myself while the bully doesn't get punished

My mom screams at the school

The school spouts BS about "it doesn't matter who started it." and that I "over-reacted" :roll:


How were you being bullied? It's only self-defense if the bully actually punched you first, not if they threatened you or said something that made you go boo-hoo-hoo. You need to be more specific so we can determine whether you were actually justified in your behaviour.


It was PE locker room childish BS that bordered on sexual harassment (grabbing my ass, calling me gay, whipping me with towels).


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27 May 2008, 7:34 am

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the "eye for an eye" can cause ridiculously violent fights that started out over innocence. I sometimes sub in a school where 95% of the students live in housing projects, and every student gets a free lunch.

The most common statement I hear from the kids who get in trouble for fighting is "my mom/dad told me to hit anyone back who hits me."

One time the fight started because a boy accidentally bumped into a girl. She'd been taught to hit anyone who hits her, shove anyone who shoves her, etc. So she pushed him back. He'd been taught the same so he pushed her back. and so on and so on . it started out kind of gentle but got worse as each was getting angry that the other kept "provoking" them. and neither would stop until they were physically pulled apart. If not for that ridiculous "hit everyone who hits you, no matter what" belief there wouldn't have been a fight in the first place. There would have been an "I'm sorry that was an accident" "thats okay" situation


That's not really what I was taught. I was taught that bullies are p*****s pick on those that seem vulnerable to boost their own self-esteem and self-image, so standing up to the bully will cause him to back off. Accidents and whatever have nothing to do with it


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27 May 2008, 7:39 am

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I can't either. I live in the South, which was the epicenter of Jim Crow and I've never heard someone use the word, "colored" in reference to someone like me.....in the 21st century. I thought that word died out along with "negro".

I also find it incomprehensible that someone would write me off and refuse to get to know me as a person just for having brown skin. Very sad, really.


My grandmother (who is 85) still uses the term "Negro," but that has to do with her age more then anything else, not racism. She actually told me she wants Obama to be president!


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27 May 2008, 7:40 am

Odin wrote:
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the "eye for an eye" can cause ridiculously violent fights that started out over innocence. I sometimes sub in a school where 95% of the students live in housing projects, and every student gets a free lunch.

The most common statement I hear from the kids who get in trouble for fighting is "my mom/dad told me to hit anyone back who hits me."

One time the fight started because a boy accidentally bumped into a girl. She'd been taught to hit anyone who hits her, shove anyone who shoves her, etc. So she pushed him back. He'd been taught the same so he pushed her back. and so on and so on . it started out kind of gentle but got worse as each was getting angry that the other kept "provoking" them. and neither would stop until they were physically pulled apart. If not for that ridiculous "hit everyone who hits you, no matter what" belief there wouldn't have been a fight in the first place. There would have been an "I'm sorry that was an accident" "thats okay" situation


That's not really what I was taught. I was taught that bullies are p*****s pick on those that seem vulnerable to boost their own self-esteem and self-image, so standing up to the bully will cause him to back off. Accidents and whatever have nothing to do with it


But there is also a lie in the maxim "the bigger they are, the harder they fall." It should read "the bigger they are, the harder they HIT YOU."

Thats a glib answer for why people are bullies. Some bullies are boosting self-esteem, yes. Others have much deeper seated issues. Some people really are just overly aggressive a***holes. Peer pressure, popularity., the weird kids actually BEING weird, or just bad perception. There are as many reasons to it. Thus, standing up to them is not always going to give a clean or happy result for the victim.


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27 May 2008, 7:41 am

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The main hate I have is for overbearing women that make men suffer.


Real men don't hate. They don't whine or complain or blame others for their suffering.


Real men act like *GASP* good and chivalrous gentlemen, not jerks.


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27 May 2008, 7:44 am

Odin wrote:
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The main hate I have is for overbearing women that make men suffer.


Real men don't hate. They don't whine or complain or blame others for their suffering.


Real men act like *GASP* good and chivalrous gentlemen, not jerks.


Amen to that though. Chivalry is a dying art.


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27 May 2008, 9:46 am

I personally believe that chivalry is a disgusting practice. But that's a matter for ANOTHER thread.

I was not too surprised by this story; merely saddened. Hey, next week, let's vote out the kid in the wheel chair because he whines about needing a wheelchair ramp and can't play games with the other kids on the playground. There's a REASON a kindergarden is not governed by a democracy: we hire people to look out for the best interests of the children because they are not READY to govern themselves! At least, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work. With a teacher like this, the kids may just as well run around feral.

Apparently "Lord of the Flies" wasn't part of this teacher's education. Nor was the "blue-eye/brown-eye" exercise. I can only imagine what Ms. Rosa Parks would have said about this. T_T



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27 May 2008, 1:35 pm

it is sad for people with disabilites to be picked on like that, the teacher should be fired and the kids need to be taught to be around people with disabilites. :?


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27 May 2008, 3:22 pm

Thats SICK! That B*TCH should be fired! she should go to jail. Thats abuse!