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24 Nov 2023, 5:31 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

If HAMAS were smarter, they could have kidnapped hostages on 7th October without killing any civilian, if all what they wanted is to do prisoner exchange.
I can't see the 14000 deaths was worth it for freeing few prisoners.

Ask yourself why they did. Here's one strong candidate for the reason
https://time.com/6321671/why-hamas-sabo ... el-attack/

In particular read point number 1.

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25 Nov 2023, 3:09 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Ask yourself why they did. Here's one strong candidate for the reason
https://time.com/6321671/why-hamas-sabo ... el-attack/

In particular read point number 1.

This is known since day 1.

I wonder if the crown prince will resume the negotiations after all this, he is known of being too…. unpredictable.

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25 Nov 2023, 3:30 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Ask yourself why they did. Here's one strong candidate for the reason
https://time.com/6321671/why-hamas-sabo ... el-attack/

In particular read point number 1.

Duh...

I made that point several times myself. The rest of the Arab world has been ignoring the Palestinian issue of late because the rest of the Arab world has been crapping in its pants in fear of Iran, and is driven by the fear to embrace Israel because Israel is also crapping in its pants in fear of Iran. So HAMMAS did the attacks to provoke Israel to in turn provoke the Arab world to resume focus on Palestine.

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25 Nov 2023, 4:23 am

The post-colonial era has seen the rise of islamic fundamentalism. I think what we are witnessing in the last 2 decades since the Gulf war is the intersection between Arab nationalism and islamic fundamentalism which has seen the rise of terrorism in the name of islam that has not included Iran but also the Taliban, ISIS, Islamic brotherhood, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Abu Sayyaff, Jemaah Islamiya, PAS (Malaysia) and the list goes on and on.

What is extremely interesting if you read the article I posted to Boo is that Saudi Arabia and other gulf states who were on the verge of signing peace treaties virtually all blamed Israel for the Oct 7 attack instead of (what would be normal?) condemn HAMAS for killing women and children,

HAMAS certainly knew whatever thread of bonding happening between these states and Israel could very easily be undone when it comes to Israel "being seen" committing another Nakba. The loss of muslim lives and lands (in this case Gaza) in the holy land is calculated to turn all Arabs against Israel.

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25 Nov 2023, 1:22 pm

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Saudi Arabia resumed its big music festivals during this war; it just delayed the peace deal but it is inevitable.

Did you watch this? It is shocking the level of hatred that it reached between Saudis and Palestinians (especially Hamas).
https://dl3.pushbulletusercontent.com/q ... G_2606.MP4

^ This opinion is not uncommon btw.

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26 Nov 2023, 5:49 am

Watch this beautiful woman, a Palestinian muslim who grew up in Israel and what she thinks of Israel.
In particular listen to what she has to say about Gaza

How HAMAS manipulated the Gaza people
She is so brave,

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26 Nov 2023, 8:43 am

What is the overall gist of the video? I don't think most people want to watch a 45 minute interview from PragerU whether or not beautiful women are involved. PragerU is known for being dishonest to further extreme right ideology, especially of the Judeo-Christian or Christian nationalist variety. They are a propaganda outlet.

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26 Nov 2023, 8:52 am

Is that the same woman twice on the video title, or is only one of them considered beautiful to cyberdad?

*face blind*

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26 Nov 2023, 11:26 am

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Is that the same woman twice on the video title, or is only one of them considered beautiful to cyberdad?

*face blind*

It's two different women. I'm just glad that the one CD was referring to wasn't ugly in his opinion.

"Watch this ugly woman..."

In all seriousness, if one is going to post an interview regarding a person's experience, it might be a good idea to use a different source, especially given PragerU's history of dishonesty and extreme bias.

The woman might not be "brave" so much as getting paid, not that an interview about something like this says much overall.

The founder of PragerU, Dennis Prager, had this to say in his 2016 article titled: "Moral people cannot support the Palestinians":

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While every nation has good individuals, as a collective, the Palestinians are among the world’s most morally unimpressive national groups.

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/187113/

Most of his videos on Israel in general are heavily biased to further his extreme right agenda.

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26 Nov 2023, 1:49 pm

Palestinian Candace Owens deserves to be taken as seriously as the original one.

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26 Nov 2023, 2:49 pm

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/prageru/

As if Jesus personally manages this media outlet.

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26 Nov 2023, 3:46 pm

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I meant beautiful (first one) in terms of her story (not her looks), She was raised in poverty by a single mother and was raised by her predominately Jewish community in her town as her mother's experience being forced to farm sheep, HAMAS forbade women from getting an education (go fact check and you will see Palestinian men force their girls to become stay at home mothers).

The lady went on to get support by the Israel government to obtain an electrical engineering degree in Israel and then a MBA from Stanford. It's a beautiful story of how Palestinian women living in Israel are given so much opportunity to get an education and better themselves. She is educated (not a Candace Owens) and allowed to speak her mind.

If you have proof she is being paid for the interview feel free to share. Even if she was (which I do not think she is) she is still brave as she would be a target for islamic extremists. It is disingenuous to mock her story especially for people who claim to be feminists.

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26 Nov 2023, 3:48 pm

Nowhere have I mocked anyone’s story. I’m just pointing out the problem with using such “evidence” from a notoriously biased and frequently dishonest source.

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26 Nov 2023, 3:50 pm

cyberdad wrote:

If you have proof she is being paid for the interview feel free to share. Even if she was (which I do not think she is) she is still brave as she would be a target for islamic extremists. It is disingenuous to mock her story especially for people who claim to be feminists.

It's Prager U, they don't magically become a credible news outlet because it suits your argument today.

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26 Nov 2023, 3:51 pm

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Nowhere have I mocked anyone’s story. I’m just pointing out the problem with using such “evidence” from such a notoriously biased source.

Why not look at the person then, she is likely turned to Praeger U because other media companies won't give her 1 second of airtime.

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26 Nov 2023, 3:56 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

It's Prager U, they don't magically become a credible news outlet because it suits your argument today.

Some time back I posted a link and posed a question why Palestinian women in Gaza are being forced to stay home and have children. Gaza has one of the highest concentration of young children as a proportion of their demographic in the world. This is a real problem, I bet you would not be allowed to interview girls in Gaza and ask them if they are allowed to go to School. Sound familiar? anyone heard of the Taliban.

If you listen to the lady in the interview, After Gaza was given back to the Palestinians they had the opportunity to become the Singapore of the middle east connecting Egypt and Africa in the south and the countries in Mediterranean and levant. Instead infrastructure meant for development and education has been diverted to militarisation.

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