25 Sep 2010, 4:37 pm
25 Sep 2010, 4:54 pm
pumibel wrote:
flyingkittycat wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
conundrum wrote:
About time! I hope the same law will make its way here.
No screaming babies? Babies are going to scream and cry. So you're saying that the moment your poor little ears hears a baby scream or cry out of hunger or needing to be changed that parent should be told to leave that place once and for all?
Oh right because you as a baby never did that..
This isn't just someone with autism who doesn't like the sound of a crying baby, most people don't. However, all this is going to do is lock parents up at home for having children just so those who don't have children can go wherever they choose and give a sigh of relief until, someone else in a particular category annoys them too.
So? They stay home for a few months while the baby is still too young to go out- that is not ridiculous to expect. People choose to have kids and if they are not ready to miss out on a few dinners out then they should consider waiting a while. If they cant get a sitter then order in. You don't usually get out much in the first few months anyway. If your kid is going through a phase of being obnoxious and disturbing then it is your responsibility to either handle it or not take them any where until they are over the spell. I had to leave stores and restaurants when mine was a toddler, and it was because I didn't want other people to have to listen to her tantrums. I could ignore it. It only lasts a little while. This is part of parenting- it is something people have forgotten or just don't care about any more. I didn't hear kids in public places when I was growing up, and I didn't cause disruptions either. My mom waited until we could handle it before she took us places like restaurants or movies. We had what they call "home training".
What you are saying is that anyone with a child from newborn to what sounds like at least 4 years old MUST STAY INSIDE AT ALL COSTS and NEVER DARE LEAVE THE HOUSE in case their child possibly annoys someone slightly by doing what EVERY BABY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME has done, which is now to be considered obnoxious. But also something that YOU NEVER ENCOUNTERED as a child EVER whilst being in a public place, and also apparently never did yourself as a child.
Not only this, but parents should be able to predict AT ALL TIMES when their child is likely to do something loud, or higher than standard audibility. Anything at all. So when the child gets its head slammed in a door by an ignorant passer-by they must be REMOVED FROM EARSHOT POST-HASTE lest anyone else be disturbed in any way.
25 Sep 2010, 6:58 pm
25 Sep 2010, 10:54 pm
Macbeth wrote:
pumibel wrote:
flyingkittycat wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
conundrum wrote:
About time! I hope the same law will make its way here.
No screaming babies? Babies are going to scream and cry. So you're saying that the moment your poor little ears hears a baby scream or cry out of hunger or needing to be changed that parent should be told to leave that place once and for all?
Oh right because you as a baby never did that..
This isn't just someone with autism who doesn't like the sound of a crying baby, most people don't. However, all this is going to do is lock parents up at home for having children just so those who don't have children can go wherever they choose and give a sigh of relief until, someone else in a particular category annoys them too.
So? They stay home for a few months while the baby is still too young to go out- that is not ridiculous to expect. People choose to have kids and if they are not ready to miss out on a few dinners out then they should consider waiting a while. If they cant get a sitter then order in. You don't usually get out much in the first few months anyway. If your kid is going through a phase of being obnoxious and disturbing then it is your responsibility to either handle it or not take them any where until they are over the spell. I had to leave stores and restaurants when mine was a toddler, and it was because I didn't want other people to have to listen to her tantrums. I could ignore it. It only lasts a little while. This is part of parenting- it is something people have forgotten or just don't care about any more. I didn't hear kids in public places when I was growing up, and I didn't cause disruptions either. My mom waited until we could handle it before she took us places like restaurants or movies. We had what they call "home training".
What you are saying is that anyone with a child from newborn to what sounds like at least 4 years old MUST STAY INSIDE AT ALL COSTS and NEVER DARE LEAVE THE HOUSE in case their child possibly annoys someone slightly by doing what EVERY BABY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME has done, which is now to be considered obnoxious. But also something that YOU NEVER ENCOUNTERED as a child EVER whilst being in a public place, and also apparently never did yourself as a child.
Not only this, but parents should be able to predict AT ALL TIMES when their child is likely to do something loud, or higher than standard audibility. Anything at all. So when the child gets its head slammed in a door by an ignorant passer-by they must be REMOVED FROM EARSHOT POST-HASTE lest anyone else be disturbed in any way.
Oh boo-hoo, so they gotta stay at home with their little brats. Maybe they should've thought of the effect of having kids before they got them?
They'll survive not going to movies/cafe's/planes for some years. And why the f*** not? It's nothing less than they demand of dogs and their owners, despite most dogs I've known are way more quiet than kids.
It wouldn't hurt at all if they removed the squealers from the scene once they started their noise terror! Most parents suck at making the little screamers shut up, and a lot of them can go on for hours at end, no joke. Why should the rest of us suffer that? Anyone else who get rowdy, even if it's justified, would get kicked out; it is not unreasonable to expect the same for kids in talking age. They are able to keep the noise within civilised level if they want to. It's only a matter of disipline. As for babies, parents can do very well without cafes etc for the 12-24 months it should take a normal bright kid to understand.
There are other people in the world than toddler parents, and there was a time when kids were expected to be quiet. Jave they become dumber since then? Maybe the IQ has dropped the last century? From 1-3 years of age it should be possible to teach a kid to STFU.
It would also prevent the disgusting modern habit of breast feeding in public
which is unnecessary and entirely avoidable.
And just for the record, I was a very quiet baby, according to my mother. Who BTW went out of her way to not be a distubance, the exact opposite of most contemporary toddler parents!
25 Sep 2010, 11:34 pm
flyingkittycat wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
conundrum wrote:
About time! I hope the same law will make its way here.
No screaming babies? Babies are going to scream and cry. So you're saying that the moment your poor little ears hears a baby scream or cry out of hunger or needing to be changed that parent should be told to leave that place once and for all?
Oh right because you as a baby never did that..
This isn't just someone with autism who doesn't like the sound of a crying baby, most people don't. However, all this is going to do is lock parents up at home for having children just so those who don't have children can go wherever they choose and give a sigh of relief until, someone else in a particular category annoys them too.
My mom told me when a baby screams or cries, you take them to the front of the restaurant until they are calmed down. That's how it works.
I have seen lot of families eating out with their kids and they were all well behaved, didn't yell or scream. My brothers and I behaved too. A kid's menu solves the problem and I can always bring coloring books with for them for in case there are no kid menus.
25 Sep 2010, 11:43 pm
pumibel wrote:
flyingkittycat wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
conundrum wrote:
About time! I hope the same law will make its way here.
No screaming babies? Babies are going to scream and cry. So you're saying that the moment your poor little ears hears a baby scream or cry out of hunger or needing to be changed that parent should be told to leave that place once and for all?
Oh right because you as a baby never did that..
This isn't just someone with autism who doesn't like the sound of a crying baby, most people don't. However, all this is going to do is lock parents up at home for having children just so those who don't have children can go wherever they choose and give a sigh of relief until, someone else in a particular category annoys them too.
So? They stay home for a few months while the baby is still too young to go out- that is not ridiculous to expect. People choose to have kids and if they are not ready to miss out on a few dinners out then they should consider waiting a while. If they cant get a sitter then order in. You don't usually get out much in the first few months anyway. If your kid is going through a phase of being obnoxious and disturbing then it is your responsibility to either handle it or not take them any where until they are over the spell. I had to leave stores and restaurants when mine was a toddler, and it was because I didn't want other people to have to listen to her tantrums. I could ignore it. It only lasts a little while. This is part of parenting- it is something people have forgotten or just don't care about any more. I didn't hear kids in public places when I was growing up, and I didn't cause disruptions either. My mom waited until we could handle it before she took us places like restaurants or movies. We had what they call "home training".
Yeah it's the same as not taking them to a play where they might disrupt the show and it's rude to leave during the performance. You have to wait till break. Same as going to movies, it's not rude to leave during the movie but if your baby cries, you have to take them out of the auditorium.
If you don't want to miss part of the movie nor deal with upsetting people at a play, leave your baby at home with a babysitter.
Having kids is making sacrifices on your life. Sure there are babysitters but they cost money and what if you can't find one? What if none of your neighbors can watch them or your parents or your relatives or your siblings?
My parents once had to cancel out on their trip to Mexico when I was nine because my grandparents were unable to come out and watch us because my grandma was having problems. My aunt (who my parents were going down with) wanted her to leave us with one of our neighbors and mom refused because most people go to family gatherings during the holidays or have parties and she didn't want to put that on them to having to watch three kids who do not belong to theirs and eating their food. Same as they go on trips too. I think that was mostly an excuse, I don't think she wanted to leave us with neighbors for seven days, period. Not everyone feels comfortable doing it.
Yep having kids do suck sometimes but it is not their fault. It's the parents.
25 Sep 2010, 11:47 pm
Skilpadde wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
pumibel wrote:
flyingkittycat wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
conundrum wrote:
About time! I hope the same law will make its way here.
No screaming babies? Babies are going to scream and cry. So you're saying that the moment your poor little ears hears a baby scream or cry out of hunger or needing to be changed that parent should be told to leave that place once and for all?
Oh right because you as a baby never did that..
This isn't just someone with autism who doesn't like the sound of a crying baby, most people don't. However, all this is going to do is lock parents up at home for having children just so those who don't have children can go wherever they choose and give a sigh of relief until, someone else in a particular category annoys them too.
So? They stay home for a few months while the baby is still too young to go out- that is not ridiculous to expect. People choose to have kids and if they are not ready to miss out on a few dinners out then they should consider waiting a while. If they cant get a sitter then order in. You don't usually get out much in the first few months anyway. If your kid is going through a phase of being obnoxious and disturbing then it is your responsibility to either handle it or not take them any where until they are over the spell. I had to leave stores and restaurants when mine was a toddler, and it was because I didn't want other people to have to listen to her tantrums. I could ignore it. It only lasts a little while. This is part of parenting- it is something people have forgotten or just don't care about any more. I didn't hear kids in public places when I was growing up, and I didn't cause disruptions either. My mom waited until we could handle it before she took us places like restaurants or movies. We had what they call "home training".
What you are saying is that anyone with a child from newborn to what sounds like at least 4 years old MUST STAY INSIDE AT ALL COSTS and NEVER DARE LEAVE THE HOUSE in case their child possibly annoys someone slightly by doing what EVERY BABY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME has done, which is now to be considered obnoxious. But also something that YOU NEVER ENCOUNTERED as a child EVER whilst being in a public place, and also apparently never did yourself as a child.
Not only this, but parents should be able to predict AT ALL TIMES when their child is likely to do something loud, or higher than standard audibility. Anything at all. So when the child gets its head slammed in a door by an ignorant passer-by they must be REMOVED FROM EARSHOT POST-HASTE lest anyone else be disturbed in any way.
Oh boo-hoo, so they gotta stay at home with their little brats. Maybe they should've thought of the effect of having kids before they got them?
They'll survive not going to movies/cafe's/planes for some years. And why the f*** not? It's nothing less than they demand of dogs and their owners, despite most dogs I've known are way more quiet than kids.
It wouldn't hurt at all if they removed the squealers from the scene once they started their noise terror! Most parents suck at making the little screamers shut up, and a lot of them can go on for hours at end, no joke. Why should the rest of us suffer that? Anyone else who get rowdy, even if it's justified, would get kicked out; it is not unreasonable to expect the same for kids in talking age. They are able to keep the noise within civilised level if they want to. It's only a matter of disipline. As for babies, parents can do very well without cafes etc for the 12-24 months it should take a normal bright kid to understand.
There are other people in the world than toddler parents, and there was a time when kids were expected to be quiet. Jave they become dumber since then? Maybe the IQ has dropped the last century? From 1-3 years of age it should be possible to teach a kid to STFU.
It would also prevent the disgusting modern habit of breast feeding in public
which is unnecessary and entirely avoidable. And just for the record, I was a very quiet baby, according to my mother. Who BTW went out of her way to not be a distubance, the exact opposite of most contemporary toddler parents!
Actually I am for breastfeeding. How hard is it to not look at them?
Seesah I have seen babies being breast fed in public and I don't care. All I see is the baby under the blanket and the mother holding it. What's there to complain about? Even if they aren't using a blanket, why would I want to stare at her boob? Don't look. It's that easy. If someone were to make a fuss out of me breastfeeding I would ask them why the hell are they watching then if they don't like it. They must love to complain.
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25 Sep 2010, 11:51 pm
26 Sep 2010, 1:02 am
League_Girl wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
It would also prevent the disgusting modern habit of breast feeding in public which is unnecessary and entirely avoidable.
which is unnecessary and entirely avoidable.Actually I am for breastfeeding. How hard is it to not look at them?
Seesah I have seen babies being breast fed in public and I don't care. All I see is the baby under the blanket and the mother holding it. What's there to complain about? Even if they aren't using a blanket, why would I want to stare at her boob? Don't look. It's that easy. If someone were to make a fuss out of me breastfeeding I would ask them why the hell are they watching then if they don't like it. They must love to complain.
It's not hard to avoid looking at all.
But it's not hard to seek out a more private place to breast feed either or at least use a blanket. If they seek out a quiet corner or use a blanket I wouldn't mind at all. But when they do it openly, and even dare get all amazon'ish if anyone happen to look in their direction, then I do mind.
I just think it's common courtesy, same as there are other things one don't do openly in public (or at least try to avoid).
There was one occasion where I wasn't even aware of what was going on at first. And passing a bench while thinking about completely different things, I accidentally looked up to see breast feeding in action, and got a glare from the mother. Like it was my fault she was in plain sight in front of me! :X I shouldn't need to be made feel embarrassed when I haven't done anything to deserve it. I sure didn't wanna see it. I hurried on, probably blushing, at least I felt hot. I'll readily admit that thinking about it still annoys me. She was on a public bench by the main street in the capital!
That might have colored my views somewhat, because that look I was given was so unfair. If I had known I would've made very sure to not look in that direction!
26 Sep 2010, 1:35 am
26 Sep 2010, 7:34 am
26 Sep 2010, 7:49 am
I stand by my statement. A statement which has now got an addendum: NO breastfeeding in case it offends peoples eyes seeing something that a) has happened since the beginning of time b) is a vital part of a babies survival and c) involves things that most of the male population cant get enough of at any age and d) a great proportion of us did ourselves.
Also, when exactly was this golden age where babies never made a noise and children were all universally better behaved? Oh yeah thats right NEVER. Unless of course someone posting on this forum is from Victorian times, and even then Babies still cried.
Of course I now await the post where some smart-ass decides that babies can have bottles and thus breatfeeding in public is pointless.
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