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01 Aug 2011, 4:54 pm

he is a strange one

normally such people turn the gun on themselves at the end



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03 Aug 2011, 3:36 pm

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The sad thing is that the Norwegians are likely to try and pin some kind of sanity issue on him, as that's the only way they can actually lock him away for the rest of his life (as said before, Norway does not have a life sentence). I find this sad because I think the main thing this act shows is that you do not have to have some kind of mental illness to do these things.

I've got to correct you on this. The maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years OR 21 years of detainment. A person who is deemed to to be too dangerous to be let out after he has served the stipulated minimum tariff, may be held indefinitely in prison. After the maximum 21 years have been served, the question of release is sent to court every five years. In principle, an extremely dangerous criminal - even though he is completely sane - may be kept in prison until he dies of old age. Any person who is deemed by court appointed experts to be suffering from a serious mental illness, or at least an illness which made the perpetrator insane at the time of the crime, cannot be sentenced to "normal" inprisonment but to mandatory psychiatric care at a special clinic. Breivik may therefore, even though he is not considered unfit to plead, spend the rest of his life in jail. Without jumping to conclusions, my bet is that this is the likely outcome of the trial against this mass murderer. Very few experts believe that he is insane or suffering from any particular mental illness. Many, however, has launched the theory that he is a sociopath.



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03 Aug 2011, 11:16 pm

phil_d1111 wrote:
he is a strange one normally such people turn the gun on themselves at the end


I think he plans on being a beacon for other anti-islamists. He knows he won't get the death penalty so he'll achieve permanent celebrity status.



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04 Aug 2011, 2:31 am

Jaydee wrote:
Artros wrote:
The sad thing is that the Norwegians are likely to try and pin some kind of sanity issue on him, as that's the only way they can actually lock him away for the rest of his life (as said before, Norway does not have a life sentence). I find this sad because I think the main thing this act shows is that you do not have to have some kind of mental illness to do these things.

I've got to correct you on this. The maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years OR 21 years of detainment. A person who is deemed to to be too dangerous to be let out after he has served the stipulated minimum tariff, may be held indefinitely in prison. After the maximum 21 years have been served, the question of release is sent to court every five years. In principle, an extremely dangerous criminal - even though he is completely sane - may be kept in prison until he dies of old age. Any person who is deemed by court appointed experts to be suffering from a serious mental illness, or at least an illness which made the perpetrator insane at the time of the crime, cannot be sentenced to "normal" inprisonment but to mandatory psychiatric care at a special clinic. Breivik may therefore, even though he is not considered unfit to plead, spend the rest of his life in jail. Without jumping to conclusions, my bet is that this is the likely outcome of the trial against this mass murderer. Very few experts believe that he is insane or suffering from any particular mental illness. Many, however, has launched the theory that he is a sociopath.


Well, that's good news. I guess I had been misinformed. They have to keep him in jail for the rest of his life, though. I mean, if he gets out, the government would actually have to protect him and such. No amount of time will make the Norwegians look more kindly upon him, I'd think.


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26 Sep 2011, 1:15 am

If you were the law would you let him loose after say......20 yrs ?

Hell no 8O



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26 Sep 2011, 1:20 am

I think the reason for the massacre is more than political......I read he was obsessed with getting rich but then his finances went down the crapper due to stocks failing etc.



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26 Sep 2011, 4:51 am

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If you were the law would you let him loose after say......20 yrs ?

Hell no 8O

He knew full well what he was doing. It wasn't a psychotic episode, so unless they can change the law and change his sentence later, then yes.

This is how come our prison system looks so huge compared to most of Europe. They have slap on the wrist sentences compared to the US. If he lived in the US he'd want to be found insane to avoid the death penalty or the supermax prison in Colorado. There all he has to do is demonstrate mental competence and he will get out well within an average life expectancy.


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26 Sep 2011, 1:28 pm

I think that Anders Behring Breivik is the worst person in Scandinavian society of this century. For the good of society (both NT and autistic) he needs to be locked up to prevent him doing further bad things.

From his comments after arrest, I think that if released he would like to do it all over again. So we need to incapacitate him (prevent him commiting further vile crimes) by locking him up in prison. I also think that locking him up also protects him from the angry mobs which would chase after him if he was walking the streets.

I also think that he was likely to have been acting alone and legally sane but he is a very evil thing posing as a man.


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26 Sep 2011, 4:16 pm

I've also read that he wasn't so much of a "Nordic type," after all. After the police arrested him they found he was wearing blue contacts over his brown eyes!
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27 Sep 2011, 11:35 pm

1. He gets 20 yrs , then another 5 , then another 5 etc......by then hes gone for life.
2. He commits suicide somehow.
3. He gets killed upon release from prison or they hunt him down overseas since it would prolly be waaaay too risky for him to live in Norway any more. If he gets released its a very good chance hell have guns dug up and the possibility for another attack..........



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29 Sep 2011, 12:04 pm

collectoritis wrote:
1. He gets 20 yrs , then another 5 , then another 5 etc......by then hes gone for life.
2. He commits suicide somehow.
3. He gets killed upon release from prison or they hunt him down overseas since it would prolly be waaaay too risky for him to live in Norway any more. If he gets released its a very good chance hell have guns dug up and the possibility for another attack..........


Maybe they could just "temporarily" stowe him in the main population of any hard penitentionary- and just look the other way a few hours. Ya know. Just long enough for another inmate to gleefully knife him to death without prompting.

Heinous criminals are often hard to keep safe from other felons.
They tried to protect Jeffrey Daumer, but while he was doing his job of doing the prison laundry some fellow con snuck into his presence somehow and stabbed him to death just to get the noteriety having killed Daumer. Oh well..we tried for years to protect him... couldnt have happened to a nicer guy!



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30 Sep 2011, 9:02 am

Criminals like this should be kept in solitude isolation in prison for the rest of their lives. Having him in with the other prisoners would put him at a huge risk of being killed. Other inmates would want to make a name for themselves to kill a high profiled infamous prisoner.

A prisoner serving a life sentence being killed in jail by an other inmate is a nice end to their suffering in jail. There is nothing worse than spending the rest of your life in jail and dying as an old man. Capital punishment/death penalty is mercy compared to spending 30, 40 or 50+ years in jail.



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30 Sep 2011, 9:17 am

John_Browning wrote:
This is how come our prison system looks so huge compared to most of Europe. They have slap on the wrist sentences compared to the US. If he lived in the US he'd want to be found insane to avoid the death penalty or the supermax prison in Colorado. There all he has to do is demonstrate mental competence and he will get out well within an average life expectancy.

There are other reasons why the US prison system is so big. Being extraordinarily vengeful is one reason.



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04 Mar 2012, 9:35 pm

Maybe he likes the thought of being in jail all his life , that he will become even more of a martyr since he can still spread his message thru media ?

Remember doc Loomis in Halloween , it was like he was describing ABB when he said "evil on 2 legs" 8O