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10 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

^^ +1000
This pseudo-scientific claptrap changes nothing about what it is and does nothing to salvage the principles of those using it.


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10 Aug 2012, 11:17 am

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Legalistic tap-dancing. Do you think it's right for business licenses to be granted or not granted based on the politics of the applicant, Visa?


Of course it's legalistic--this is a question of law! But it is by no means tap dancing--these are the principles that lie at the very core of Administrative Law.

Government officials, whether elected or appointed, need to be able to do their jobs. If every decision of every bureaucrat from the dog catcher all the way up to the mayor is subject to judicial scrutiny, what kind of paralysis does that create? The presumption that actions are valid is no different than any other presumption in law--actions are presumed to be legal until they are demonstrated to be otherwise.

Now I don't want for a moment to suggest that any mayor who made such a decision would be on a firm legal footing--but it depends entirely upon the statutory authority that the mayor possesses, and that will likely be different from state to state, if not from city to city.

In my view, any applicant in an administrative process should know the case that must be met, and have a fair and reasonable opportunity to make that case. So no, if I was writing the statutes, I would never confer jurisdiction upon a mayor or a mayor and council to act arbritrarily. But the question of whether I think it is right or not is entirely separate from: 1) the question whether a given mayor in a given city has the legal authority to make such a decision on an arbitrary basis; and 2) the fact that no mayor has taken any such decision.

At this point, it's all just politics--and as you well know, there is no right or wrong in politics.


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30 Aug 2012, 10:19 pm

I am not happy with all this Chick Fil A coverage! I used to eat there every time I visited the mall and the sandwich was such a treat. Now I am on a diet and I don't want to eat there or any fast food but since all the media coverage I have EATEN AT CHICK FIL A THREE TIMES. One was today. Those cravings linger. Why can't Chick Fil A stick to chicken sandwiches and stay out of politics?



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31 Aug 2012, 12:56 am

That's something you ought to ask the Chick -fil-a CEO.

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31 Aug 2012, 10:20 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am not happy with all this Chick Fil A coverage! I used to eat there every time I visited the mall and the sandwich was such a treat. Now I am on a diet and I don't want to eat there or any fast food but since all the media coverage I have EATEN AT CHICK FIL A THREE TIMES. One was today. Those cravings linger. Why can't Chick Fil A stick to chicken sandwiches and stay out of politics?


The head guy of the chain is not only a business man, but a citizen with opinions (however silly those opinions might or might not be). Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has at least one.

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31 Aug 2012, 1:03 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am not happy with all this Chick Fil A coverage! I used to eat there every time I visited the mall and the sandwich was such a treat. Now I am on a diet and I don't want to eat there or any fast food but since all the media coverage I have EATEN AT CHICK FIL A THREE TIMES. One was today. Those cravings linger. Why can't Chick Fil A stick to chicken sandwiches and stay out of politics?


The head guy of the chain is not only a business man, but a citizen with opinions (however silly those opinions might or might not be). Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has at least one.

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I think the CEO of Chik-fil-a needs more than one as*hole in order to get rid of the extra s**t backed up to his brain.

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31 Aug 2012, 1:26 pm

And besides that the Chick Fil A employees who I think are really nice and polite seem kind of nervous and a bit apprehensive these days. Nice the way this company puts its employees on the front lines of it's political garbage. Just stick to chicken sandwiches.



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31 Aug 2012, 1:54 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And besides that the Chick Fil A employees who I think are really nice and polite seem kind of nervous and a bit apprehensive these days. Nice the way this company puts its employees on the front lines of it's political garbage. Just stick to chicken sandwiches.


Are you saying that CEOs of successful businesses should not express an unpopular political opinion?

Is it: make all the money you can be keep silent?

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31 Aug 2012, 1:59 pm

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Are you saying that CEOs of successful businesses should not express an unpopular political opinion?


I'd say yes if they don't want to harm the success of their business. They can have their own opinion but so will their customers and the ones that disagree may not want to patronize their business any more.



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31 Aug 2012, 2:06 pm

hanyo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

Are you saying that CEOs of successful businesses should not express an unpopular political opinion?


I'd say yes if they don't want to harm the success of their business. They can have their own opinion but so will their customers and the ones that disagree may not want to patronize their business any more.


Agreed. I'm sure they had lost customers, despite that day when people were lined up around the corner, and they ran out of chicken at several locations.

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31 Aug 2012, 2:14 pm

I've always loved Chick-Fil-A food, but unfortunately I've had to boycott it because giving them money means funding the fight against equal rights for gay people. If there was some way to take the money that would go to this kind of bigotry and instead give it to, oh, say, Chick-Fil-A's workers, I'd eat there! Hell, every time I get fast food I'd tip the cashier $2 if I was allowed to! Because even $7.25 per hour isn't enough to live on...


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31 Aug 2012, 2:16 pm

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It's not me that's making the judgements of who was right or wrong in the matter of moral stands shaping policy, but history.

If history ends up disagreeing with you, would you switch sides?


No, I was only commenting on how history judges civil rights favorably. If the fight for civil rights fails, I will still stand my ground in support of it.

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Western appraisals of history currently judge civil rights favorably because that's in line with the current state of western values. Values are constantly changing and thus so is the prevailing assessment of history.



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31 Aug 2012, 2:19 pm

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I've always loved Chick-Fil-A food, but unfortunately I've had to boycott it because giving them money means funding the fight against equal rights for gay people. If there was some way to take the money that would go to this kind of bigotry and instead give it to, oh, say, Chick-Fil-A's workers, I'd eat there! Hell, every time I get fast food I'd tip the cashier $2 if I was allowed to! Because even $7.25 per hour isn't enough to live on...


We don't have Chick-fil-a in my part of the country (Washington state), so I can't very well boycott it. But my wife and I do in fact boycott Target, for their financial support of efforts to defeat LGBT rights.

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31 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm

Tiranasta wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
It's not me that's making the judgements of who was right or wrong in the matter of moral stands shaping policy, but history.

If history ends up disagreeing with you, would you switch sides?


No, I was only commenting on how history judges civil rights favorably. If the fight for civil rights fails, I will still stand my ground in support of it.

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Western appraisals of history currently judge civil rights favorably because that's in line with the current state of western values. Values are constantly changing and thus so is the prevailing assessment of history.


Absolutely. As a former history major, I can recall how my Civil War and Reconstruction professor had told us how perceptions of the Civil War had changed over the years. One racially biased historian who had once had preeminent influence over Civil War studies had promoted the notion of "the Negro was not worth the deaths of both sides." Thankfully, we've moved on to a considerably less racist perception of the war.

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31 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm

Well, looks like I've got to boycott Target too. I've been boycotting Wal-Mart because of their discrimination against women, and getting away with it by making rules and not enforcing them. Also they don't want to pay any of their workers enough to live on, so they work everyone less than full-time so they don't have to pay (gulp) benefits... That's why their prices are so low.


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31 Aug 2012, 3:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And besides that the Chick Fil A employees who I think are really nice and polite seem kind of nervous and a bit apprehensive these days. Nice the way this company puts its employees on the front lines of it's political garbage. Just stick to chicken sandwiches.


Are you saying that CEOs of successful businesses should not express an unpopular political opinion?

Is it: make all the money you can be keep silent?

ruveyn

Pretty much. Unless it's got something to do with their product. In this case chickens and the food industry.