Boston Marathon Bombed

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Not everyone accused of a major crime with political/religious implications is a patsy. There isn't a seconded gunman behind every grassy knoll.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Aww, can't I gloat now? Just a little bit, pleeeeeeeeeeze?

I'm sorry, Ruve, but I just can't seem to muster up any sympathy for him (or his parents), and mercy is simply out of the question.

May justice upon him be true and complete.

Boris Yeltsin's all-time worst rule never ceases to give gift to us all. He put Dzhokar Dudayev into power, the Americans killed him as an election gift to Yeltsin who had to stuff the ballot boxes anyway, he did this after his destruction of Chechnya was a complete failure as it did not guarantee his re-election as he was told. His approval rating dropped to 2%. Yeltsin was the worst leader ever.

My point is that it's possible to bomb something and get away with it. However, the police cannot come away empty handed. They need to find someone. Otherwise, people will get the idea that it's possible to bomb something and get away with it, and better that innocent people be lynched than have that happen. That's the mentality.

Um, what? Unless Dudayev was in Iraq or Afghanistan during our conflicts there, I don't see any way this could be in the least accurate.

Not that accuracy, plausibility, or reality seem to make that much difference to you, judging by those other posts...

Yeltsin was completely awful. They thought that destroying Chechnya would be like Maggie's Falklands and consolidate neoliberalism. All they needed to do was stuff the ballot boxes, which is what they ended up doing in the end. Yeltsin was a dictator through and through.

He put Dudayev in power in 1991 because the existing Checheno-Ingush president didn't stand with him unconditionally when the State of Emergency Committee removed Gorbachev from power. Idiot! Yeltsin was the worst, and naturally got 100% American backing.

You see some weird stuff out there. Like the Bomber was Zooey Deschanel.



Or that the brothers were actually FBI agents that double-crossed us.

The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis April 20, 2013, 4:39 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Boston bombing attack Caucasus Saudi Arabia Terrorism FBI Intelligence TTamerlan Tsarnaev killed. His brother Dzhokhar captured

The big questions buzzing over Boston Bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have a single answer: It emerged in the 102 tense hours between the twin Boston Marathon bombings Monday, April 15 – which left three dead, 180 injured and a police officer killed at MIT - and Dzohkhar’s capture Friday, April 19 in Watertown.
The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.
Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.
By this tortuous path, the brothers earned the dubious distinction of being the first terrorist operatives to import al Qaeda terror to the United States through a winding route outside the Middle East – the Caucasus...
http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The- ... error-trap

And of course there is the repeated assurance (by family members) that the brothers could not do this, because they were actually Angels.

we are on a chat forum,we are not seated as jurors in a formal criminal matter

the media is very flawed for sure but for now its what we have

Fired his gun into his mouth in an attempt to kill himself as he was being arrested, he is now stable but expected to never be able to talk again.

CNN didn't exactly cover themselves in glory during this entire affair - they seemed to be using the New York Post as a primary source, which is maybe half a step above using Facebook.

I just think this whole affair proves that the Boston PD is more effective than the Gotham City PD - they didn't need Batman's help to bring in the Dzohkhar...

Really? I had not heard that his wound was self inflicted.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Interesting that there hasn't been much in the way of object blaming in comparison to other incidents.

There hasn't been an official release on what the devices consisted of, nor the firearms used against the MIT officer and later on.

I'm guessing it's basic off the shelf stuff with the devices and they got the firearms from the MIT officer (killed him with his own), but that's just a guess (a decent one considering how there's been hardly any object blaming going on).

None of it is confirmed but there are lots of unofficial accounts that he tried to take his own life and failed. Some reports suggest he is missing part if not all of his tongue.

It has also been said by one of the doctors that a major contributor to his brother dying was him driving over him as he tried to get away from the shoot out after his brother was shot. he is going to feel pretty stupid to wake up in hospital to find he ran over his brother and killed him then tried to kill himself and just blew his tongue off.

Agree with the above.

They probably felt wronged, abandoned, angry,..etc. and hence found a way to release their anger in a certain ideology and use it as an excuse. Given that they probably were to commit suicide at some point, not only were they angry at society but at themselves (or at least one of them, the older brother, while the younger did it for the love of his brother, too...maybe, or maybe both felt like that). Maybe their life wasn't going right.
That's my take on the whole story. Especially, since they seem to have acted alone and they were generally not professional at all in their endeavours. It wasn't really about religion or politics, that's not how it's done if it's with that purpose in mind. And given the younger brother's way of life, he certainly wasn't even a practicing muslim, not even of the regular kind.

The difference rests in how they are shaped by cultural forces and which destructive behaviors they seek to copy.
Just an assumption and one possibility of what could've being going on here.

I think also along the same lines as far as has to it started. I can't help comparing it however to what autistics go through almost as a matter of course and how violence is not how autistics eventually direct it.

[Yes, one in a while a autistic turns violent, but unless proven otherwise I would say no more frequently then anyone in the general NT population at large. It may in fact occur less among autistics. I don't really think anyone knows yet.]

I am guessing the process depends upon what a person falls back on, or looks to, once they reach the state of deep discontent. And in this case, what or who is there, waiting to influence them in a planned direction. I imagine it is among such people the terrorist communities find their suicide bombing recruits. I have read that the sucide bombers are not typically people of deep religious conviction so much as those who have lost all hope.

The older brother seems to fit the model of a person without clear aims or goals and deeply dissatisfied, though it was not apparently due to persecution, poverty or lack of opportunity. The descriptions so far seem to paint a picture also of a man who underwent noticable personnality changes. As an example, during his active stage of boxing, the gym manager described him as the most humble and non-agressive member. But after a few years away from the gym he visited a month or so prior to the bombing and had to be kicked out, due to his showing arrogance and disrespect to the current members and generally being a butthole.

Something else I noted, as others have, is the calm manner they went about this violent business. I do not trully know what that means, but in life I have learned to avoid such types as they seem to have passed beyond humanity.

Might have blown off his own tongue?!?!?!?!

Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer