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03 Sep 2014, 1:31 pm

I agree generally, but I believe that you are simplifying the food chain that exists in research publishing. Because it is such a small industry, most researchers are employed at universities or medical centers and are expected to publish their research papers as frequently in "prestigious" research journals as possible because it promotes both the universities (to attract better researchers and professors) and the researchers (to attract better universities and corporate employers). As you pointed out, the researchers could just as easily self-publish, but the resulting circulation wouldn't promote the universities and the researchers anywhere near as much as a popular journal would. And, the journals themselves desire and need to publish prestigious papers from those prestigious universities and their prestigious researchers to sustain and increase circulation. Without the circulation, the journals would no longer be prestigious, too, and get quickly re-assessed by their prestigious corporate publishers who also desire and need the journals in their mastheads.

So, the business of the corporate publishers pervades the entire chain. Financial and legal demands in the research, review and publication of prestigious papers are every bit as rigorous (and often politicized) as the research, development and production of widgets are to the commercial marketplace. My use of the single word "business" was, therefore, not so impertinent, was it?

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03 Sep 2014, 8:24 pm

YOUTUBE.COM: "Prof Boyd Haley BLASTS Thimerosal #CDCWhistleblower"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMXZEFX7jUM

Next News Network's Gary Franchi speaks with retired University of Kentucky professor of chemistry Haley E. Boyd, Ph.D., http://www.ctiscience.com/founder.php one of the world's leading experts in the study of the role of thimerosal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal and its link with autism. They also speak about the current CDC controversy.

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04 Sep 2014, 3:20 pm

JONRAPPOPORT: "Bombshell: CDC whistleblower goes further: mercury causes autism"
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/ ... ses-autism

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The brief explosive video is posted at autismmediachannel.com on the home page: 'CDC Whistleblower William Thompson on Thimerosal.'

Beyond admitting to fraud in a 2004 CDC study that exonerated the MMR vaccine, Dr. William Thompson, a CDC scientist, asserts there is a connection between mercury (thimerosal) in vaccines and autism....

The link to AutismMediaChannel.com doesn't work, but the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EK4ZE-SPIc to the YouTube.com video is functional.

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04 Sep 2014, 3:53 pm

And this time we're supposed to believe he's not playing it out of context? Unlike the first video. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and nothing provided by a guy whose license was revoked for fraud could constitute extraordinary evidence

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04 Sep 2014, 4:38 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:

Are you referring to William W. Thompson, Ph.D., or Brian S. Hooker, Ph.D., P.E., (the two men speaking in the video; though Hooker says nothing intelligible)? I can't find any reference that their licenses or other permissions to practice their professions have ever been restricted or revoked, and certainly not that of Thompson who is still working at the CDC. Please cite your source(s) about Thompson and/or Hooker having their licenses revoked.

I do, however, note that Andrew J. Wakefield, MB, BS, FRCS, FRCPath, was "was struck off the United Kingdom medical register" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wa ... l_hearings in 2010. I also note that Mark R. Geier, M.D., had his license to practice revoked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geie ... es_revoked in 2011. Geier's son, David A. Geier, B.A., was censured for practicing without a license. Hooker had worked with and cited the Geiers' research papers. But, neither Wakefield nor the Geiers are speaking in the video.

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04 Sep 2014, 5:03 pm

Andrew Wakefield runs Autism Media Channel

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04 Sep 2014, 5:15 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:

Andrew Wakefield runs Autism Media Channel

Yes, and does that fact change what Thompson said? Let's not engage in ad hominems by proxy, shall we?

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04 Sep 2014, 5:22 pm

he taped an out-of-context snippet form thompson before, what makes you think he didn't do it again.

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04 Sep 2014, 5:24 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:

he taped an out-of-context snippet form thompson before, what makes you think he didn't do it again.

Again, citation?

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04 Sep 2014, 5:27 pm

http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27- ... nd-autism/

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04 Sep 2014, 5:40 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:

http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

Yes, Thompson wrote that:

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...I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his belief that CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet....

So, Thompson had the chance to describe how Hooker allegedly "taped an out-of-context snippet form [him,]" but, instead, wrote that he had "many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his belief that CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent[;]" not exactly the words of a research scientist who had supposedly been wronged by a colleague who had manipulated his statements. Yes, Hooker was unprofessionally wrong to record Thompson without his knowledge, but that isn't even close to the act of editing and changing a person's words and intent. Furthermore, if this is as angry as Thompson got about what Hooker had done to him, particularly by sharing Hooker's opinions, then I believe we can all stop seeing phantoms in the shadows. In other words, there is no there there.

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04 Sep 2014, 5:45 pm

He made the first recording sound like proof of fraud, rather than a disagreement about whether certain data was significant

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04 Sep 2014, 6:04 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:

He made the first recording sound like proof of fraud, rather than a disagreement about whether certain data was significant

Apparently not in Thompson's opinion (and actions; he has returned to allowing Hooker to record his statements). Maybe Hooker did do what you described. Maybe Thompson likes being bullied into silence by his colleagues (though, it begs the question why he didn't describe his experience with Hooker more like how you described it). The fact remains that we have no evidence that Thompson believes that his words were edited and manipulated to change his intended meaning. I amn't saying that you are wrong in your opinion of the matter, just that Thompson, and he alone, can confirm such opinions. When he had the chance to do so, he made the experience sound like the two researchers shared a pizza and some conversation, nothing more.

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04 Sep 2014, 7:31 pm

There was too much recorded to taken out of context and Thomson hasn't denied he was telling the truth.

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05 Sep 2014, 9:21 am

NATURALNEWS.COM: "CNN caught in denial over MMR vaccines even as CDC whistleblower confesses to scientific fraud" (September 4, 2014)
http://www.naturalnews.com/046732_MMR_v ... lower.html

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After more than a week of total silence by the mainstream media, CNN has finally admitted that a landmark study recently published in a top scientific journal solidifies a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. But this was only after the journal that first published the study, Translational Neurodegeneration, arbitrarily decided to pull it on spurious claims that its findings 'may not be in the public interest,' suddenly making the topic 'newsworthy.'

Failing to even get the facts straight, a CNN report [ http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/health/ir ... cine-study ] by Debra Goldschmidt claims that the study by Dr. Brian Hooker from the Focus Autism Foundation (FAF) uncovered a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in African American boys given the shot before the age of two -- it was actually before the age of three, Ms. Goldschmidt. The real issue, however, is not this shoddy reporting by CNN, but the fact that a prominent journal claiming to be committed to science decided to pull a study simply because its findings threaten to topple the golden calf of vaccination....

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07 Sep 2014, 12:31 pm

I'll just leave this here...

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