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13 Jun 2016, 2:20 am

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Where are all of these dangerous Christian conservatives attacks?

I can recall perhaps about 2 or so, but they absolutely pale in comparison to the amount of Islamic extremist ones. I can also recall a few "social liberal" and "atheist" ones, so to think the Christian ones are just as bad then you have to admit social liberal and atheist ones are too.

You might need some perspective here.


Here is some perspective for you. They are only pail in comparison if you are not the victim of them.

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
3. Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
8. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.
9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
10. Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, November 27, 2015


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13 Jun 2016, 2:39 am

Democrats demand that we are not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.



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13 Jun 2016, 2:43 am

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Democrats demand that we are not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.


Or all Christians.


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13 Jun 2016, 3:51 am

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Democrats demand that we are not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.


If we agree to kick out all the Muslims out of the country, can we also kick out all the Christians, and all the gun owners? Deal? It would be a way better country.


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13 Jun 2016, 3:55 am

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With Cruz and Trump taking this opportunity to bash Muslims for attacking gays - and even seemingly to defend gays - I have to wonder when extremists on the right will start saying that those evil, evil gays in Florida had it coming.


Dan Patrick, our Lt. Gov., posted the "reap what you sow" tweet, supposedly before this happened. It has since been deleted.

Although Dan Patrick is no friend of the LGBT community, I think that was a coincidence. He regularly quotes Bible verses on his Twitter account on Sundays via a prepared format... Here is an example from May 22:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci7bKYAU4AAJdLg.jpg

GOP Congressman Rick Allen (Georgia), on the other hand, pulled *this* stunt just 2 weeks ago:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/b ... prior-vote

Which aptly illustrates the conundrum the GOP now faces: A Muslim extremist carries out the 3rd most lethal terrorist attack on US soil (only surpassed by The Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11). This would usually be politically advantageous for the GOP, but the victims are from the LGBT community, which has been subject to unprecedented and escalating levels of hostility from the GOP in recent years...



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13 Jun 2016, 4:14 am

Islam is to blame yet again for this atrocity.

We need leaders that will stand up to Islam, that will fight this wretched, far-right ideology properly.

If we don't fight it, we will have more of these.



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13 Jun 2016, 4:25 am

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Islam is to blame yet again for this atrocity.

We need leaders that will stand up to Islam, that will fight this wretched, far-right ideology properly.

If we don't fight it, we will have more of these.


No, lack of mental health services, and guns that are as easy to buy as candy are to blame. Islam is just a smokescreen to cover up the failed policies of the right-wing.


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13 Jun 2016, 4:35 am

0regonGuy wrote:
1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
3. Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
8. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.
9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
10. Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, November 27, 2015


How many casualties is that compared to Islamic terrorism since the 90s in the US?

What's the population ratio of Muslims to Christians?

Yes, it pales in comparison.



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13 Jun 2016, 4:50 am

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No, lack of mental health services, and guns that are as easy to buy as candy are to blame. Islam is just a smokescreen to cover up the failed policies of the right-wing.


Mental health = pretty sure everyone can show up to a psychologist if they want. Outside of this, there's little that can be done without mandatory evaluations of everyone (most of which are fine).

Gun laws = won't stop it from happening in these planned cases; Anders and France are your examples. They still happened in countries with more stringent laws.

Laws regarding religion = won't stop it from happening.

I can't see anything that'll stop someone planning and executing such an attack other than blind luck or intelligence on the part of government surveillance agencies/private citizens; infiltrating organizations for the former and noticing something odd and reporting it with the latter.



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13 Jun 2016, 4:58 am

0regonGuy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Islam is to blame yet again for this atrocity.

We need leaders that will stand up to Islam, that will fight this wretched, far-right ideology properly.

If we don't fight it, we will have more of these.


No, lack of mental health services, and guns that are as easy to buy as candy are to blame. Islam is just a smokescreen to cover up the failed policies of the right-wing.


I totally disagree.


Islam leads to such things.

Former-muslim atheist here.

Btw, the middle-eastern atheist communities (whom most of them are former muslims) are in very disagreement with the western's leftist misleading views on radical islam related problems like yours.
Let me tell you bluntly:
We (the MEA atheists) think that you (western leftists/liberals) have poor knowledge on what Islam really is and you have no idea what you are talking about.
viewtopic.php?t=320545

viewtopic.php?t=321100

For this instance, the source of Muslim hatred against gays is undeniably from the Quran itself, not some mental disease, as much as the source of Christian bigotry against gays is from the Bible itself.



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13 Jun 2016, 5:10 am

Dillogic wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
3. Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
8. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.
9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
10. Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, November 27, 2015


How many casualties is that compared to Islamic terrorism since the 90s in the US?

What's the population ratio of Muslims to Christians?

Yes, it pales in comparison.


So your opinion of which religion is worst is based on their efficiency in mass killing people?


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13 Jun 2016, 5:12 am

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Gun laws = won't stop it from happening in these planned cases; Anders and France are your examples. They still happened in countries with more stringent laws.


Gun laws worked in Australia. They work in most of the rest of the world.


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13 Jun 2016, 5:30 am

That 50 innocent people got shot for one man's illogical hatred is unforgivable. They didn't need to die.

I'm glad that the gunman is dead though. He will not be missed.

I'm also not surprised that Donald "Hail Hydra" Trump used the tragedy for his own ends. What a <profanity>!



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13 Jun 2016, 6:42 am

WBC is already planning to picket. If I wasn't a Christian, I would suggest a total religion ban. It worked in Albania for 23 years.


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13 Jun 2016, 6:53 am

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With Cruz and Trump taking this opportunity to bash Muslims for attacking gays - and even seemingly to defend gays - I have to wonder when extremists on the right will start saying that those evil, evil gays in Florida had it coming.

You sure love throwing everything in the same bag. I usually ignore you. But really putting both Cruz and Trump as anti-gay?

And technically neither is "anti-gay" ESPECIALLY Trump. So in your world view if someone does not condone or support something they are ANTI. (Though Crudz and Hillbillary have supported some really horrid anti gay regimes overseas)

And all extremists with anti gay views will make bad comments. You are right. That proves what?

So will you ignore 15000 msg of condolence and good will so you can whip out those 100 in 15k nasty people that say they deserve death and call them typical Christian. And hold them up as the word of the religion? But give muslims a free pass as a group no matter what a majority believe?
Conservatives you bash in every other thread... how many homegrown terrorists were card carrying republicans?(I can only think of one) and what percentage do they make up of the whole?

And then again there are people posting on social media in support of the creepy looking kook that shot that gameshow singer. Are they right wing? conservative? religious nuts?

There are people who told Selena Gomez to die just because she broke up with Bieber <_< were those http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-new ... re-2014147
And that proves... ?

That there are people are horrid and when anonymous they say some nasty Shiet. But Gay bashing on line does NOT mean automatic bombing of a Pride Parade.

Radicalization of unstable people is a problem. In name of Govt, Religion or Social Justice.


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13 Jun 2016, 7:25 am

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...guns that are as easy to buy as candy are to blame....

I presume you are describing buying firearms illegally on some black market. If you had ever bought a firearm legally, you would know how absurd your statement is. Every firearm purchase in the United States requires a litany of restrictions and expected compliances under state and federal laws as well as using the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473. It makes doing a tax return for a small business look easy. If there is so much as a typographical error, the form is denied and the purchase stopped. Some citizens have state-issued concealed-firearm permits allowing them to simplify the Form 4473 by reporting their permit number and signing. But, having a permit means that the permitted individual has his or her criminal history reviewed by the FBI every 24 hours -- that is right: 24/7/365. If anyone tries to skirt these requirements, he or she is already violating state and federal laws.

I would hardly call these conditions "easy ... as candy."


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