16 Aug 2017, 5:19 pm
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16 Aug 2017, 5:23 pm
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16 Aug 2017, 5:28 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Come on. Speaking out against counterprotesters does not equate to being in favor of Nazis.
It does when Antifa's the only thing standing between you and a gas chamber or oven!
That is delusional. Between me and a few hundred thugs and some quiet supporters of there are these things called the congressional and judicial wings of the federal government, state and local governments. While the executive branch of the federal government has been called into question they are not remotely calling for killing whole races or groups. There are a lot of corporations boycotting states and firing people for holding non liberal never mind fascist views.
I am not a person that will never say never and it is important to not let the Nazi ideology further metastasize so it does not get remotely to an actual Nazi takeover but we are far far far from that point. The fear based overreaction going on is exactly what they (and all terrorists) want and need people to do.
16 Aug 2017, 5:31 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Come on. Speaking out against counterprotesters does not equate to being in favor of Nazis.
It does when Antifa's the only thing standing between you and a gas chamber or oven!
That is delusional. Between me and a few hundred thugs and some quiet supporters of there are these things called the congressional and judicial wings of the federal government, state and local governments. While the executive branch of the federal government has been called into question they are not remotely calling for killing whole races or groups. There are a lot of corporations boycotting states and firing people for holding non liberal never mind fascist views.
I am not a person that will never say never and it is important to not let the Nazi ideology further metastasize so it does not get remotely to an actual Nazi takeover but we are far far far from that point. The fear based overreaction going on is exactly what they (and all terrorists) want and need people to do.
Y'know, the vast majority of Holocaust victims believed the same thing about the German government when Hitler was initially elected.
16 Aug 2017, 5:35 pm
16 Aug 2017, 5:37 pm
16 Aug 2017, 5:47 pm
...I would pantomime P-ing and S-ing on a public Confederate memorial in front of a Confederate-lover anytime! 
(Of course, not if they had their gun, etc. I'm not stupid 
.) (I wouldn"t waste my real P and S on them. 
) I'd prick their lil' " Rebel Pride ", and raise their consiousness 
...........
ptor"]
rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?
I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.
f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?
Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.
They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?[/quote]
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16 Aug 2017, 6:41 pm
KagamineLen wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Come on. Speaking out against counterprotesters does not equate to being in favor of Nazis.
It does when Antifa's the only thing standing between you and a gas chamber or oven!
That is delusional. Between me and a few hundred thugs and some quiet supporters of there are these things called the congressional and judicial wings of the federal government, state and local governments. While the executive branch of the federal government has been called into question they are not remotely calling for killing whole races or groups. There are a lot of corporations boycotting states and firing people for holding non liberal never mind fascist views.
I am not a person that will never say never and it is important to not let the Nazi ideology further metastasize so it does not get remotely to an actual Nazi takeover but we are far far far from that point. The fear based overreaction going on is exactly what they (and all terrorists) want and need people to do.
Y'know, the vast majority of Holocaust victims believed the same thing about the German government when Hitler was initially elected.
I know about that. Hitler was elected on a platform of anti semitism. Mein Kampf his manifesto was out and talked about his plans for ethnic cleansing. While the Nuremberg laws were two years away the process of separating the Jews from general population as well as government run and supported violence was underway. Unlike in 1933 Germany if Trump tried a false flag terrorist attack in order to become dictator we now have the example of the Reichstag fire. People would be aware of what is going on.
While hundreds of Nazis running around is disturbing to me I am a lot more worried about consumer eugenics and gene editing.
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17 Aug 2017, 10:59 am
17 Aug 2017, 11:18 am
...As I think I said earlier here I recall an article from a Chatlottesville resident saying that the alt-right anti-removal demonstrates strolled around with massive guns displayed, and I am told that, when they were msrching, they chanted " Jew can not move us " for instance.
I don't question that there were violent A-hole setting-out-to troublemakers among the pro-statue removal protestors, also!
mpin_Cat"]
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
...they were the party with the permit, as in the past were probably searched and had their weapons confiscated, and whether or not they could have created just as much mayhem and casualty on a broader than one-off level isn't necessarily disproven, they just didn't have the mace, bricks, batons, or whatever else to do the same thing.
That's part of what even bothers me more. If you're going to let a throng of armed people wait outside an enclosed area, you know this because you patted them down on their way in, to meet a group of unarmed people you're even making matters worse.
That's part of what even bothers me more. If you're going to let a throng of armed people wait outside an enclosed area, you know this because you patted them down on their way in, to meet a group of unarmed people you're even making matters worse.
Yeah, this is, pretty much, MY understanding of what happened, as well. I, in NO WAY, like / agree-with / approve-of White Supremacist / neo-Nazi, and the like, ideology----BUT the fact remains, that their right to protest is covered by the Second Amendment.
The way *I* see it, the anti-statue-removal people obtained the permit to protest----others were told to stay home..... I'm thinking that the "others" decided they were gonna go down there, and teach "those people" (WS/NN), a lesson (it has been reported MANY times, that they came armed with bats and bricks and mace, and stuff----I mean, even someone, HERE [ASPartOfMe], posted an article that said: "...they were confronted by a large group of protesters including members of the Marxist Antifa — a group that has time and again plunged volatile situations into violence...[https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=352559&p=7637288#p7637288]")----and, one of the things that gets me, the MOST, is that I would bet almost ANYTHING, that if it had been the REVERSE (the FOR-statue-removal people, being the ones demonstrating), the FIRST thing outta their mouths, would've been that they had a right to do it, because of the Second Amendment.
I also agree with ASPartOfMe (I THINK he was the one who said it), in that if the anti-statue-removal people had've been allowed to demonstrate PEACEFULLY (with NO interference from the people who didn't like them, being there), this story wouldn't've been covered, for more than a DAY----and, quite frankly, most probably, that poor young woman, wouldn't've been killed.
Now, before anyone says it..... YES, OF COURSE, I feel the SA protects the right of the FOR-statue-removal people, TOO----but, I don't see it as that being their intention when they went down there, quite frankly, with a can of whoop-ass!![/quote]
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17 Aug 2017, 11:35 am
17 Aug 2017, 11:36 am
...Then perhaps the white suburbanites whose hurt wil' feewins you are so concerned with could offer those statues a home on their land?
aptor"]
rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?
I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.
f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?
Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.
They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?[/quote]
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
